TeethGrinder Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 On 6/24/2020 at 10:58 AM, TheLastWolf said: and lets admit, no one wants him and his obnoxious wife ruling the Seven Kingdoms.) SHAME! But no the Baratheon's are doomed and have been from the start - They're tragic by design. Remove any of the major character flaws from Robert/Stannis/Renly and they likely would have been unstoppable. This is the tragedy of their story. Needlessly isolated in a time where cooperation was so important. Had any of the two brothers been more closely aligned, more willing to work with each other they're probably still in power. Robert's drunkenness and ignorance, Stannis' bitterness and stubborness, Renly's vanity and arrogance - They all played their part in the destruction of the family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee-Sensei Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 7 hours ago, TeethGrinder said: SHAME! But no the Baratheon's are doomed and have been from the start - They're tragic by design. Remove any of the major character flaws from Robert/Stannis/Renly and they likely would have been unstoppable. This is the tragedy of their story. Needlessly isolated in a time where cooperation was so important. Had any of the two brothers been more closely aligned, more willing to work with each other they're probably still in power. Robert's drunkenness and ignorance, Stannis' bitterness and stubborness, Renly's vanity and arrogance - They all played their part in the destruction of the family. I doubt it. Edric will probably be legitimized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Fenimore Cooper XXII Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 8 hours ago, TeethGrinder said: SHAME! But no the Baratheon's are doomed and have been from the start - They're tragic by design. Remove any of the major character flaws from Robert/Stannis/Renly and they likely would have been unstoppable. This is the tragedy of their story. Needlessly isolated in a time where cooperation was so important. Had any of the two brothers been more closely aligned, more willing to work with each other they're probably still in power. Robert's drunkenness and ignorance, Stannis' bitterness and stubborness, Renly's vanity and arrogance - They all played their part in the destruction of the family. It would not have been so bad if they only destroyed the Baratheon family. They messed up Westeros. Robert took over a prospering kingdom and it's drowning in debt within a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orm Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 18 hours ago, James Fenimore Cooper XXII said: It would not have been so bad if they only destroyed the Baratheon family. They messed up Westeros. Robert took over a prospering kingdom and it's drowning in debt within a few years. Bobby B took over a kingdom after a bloody civil war that divided the continent in half..... So, What "prospering" kingdom?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeethGrinder Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 9 hours ago, Lee-Sensei said: I doubt it. Edric will probably be legitimized. By who? And why? The only scenario where Stannis does it is after he's defeated and broken. Aegon and Dany have absolutely no reason to give anything to the Baratheons, particularly one so fond of Robert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eltharion21 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 11 hours ago, James Fenimore Cooper XXII said: It would not have been so bad if they only destroyed the Baratheon family. They messed up Westeros. Robert took over a prospering kingdom and it's drowning in debt within a few years. On the other hand he did rid the realm of Targaryens so it is even-Steven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeethGrinder Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 11 hours ago, James Fenimore Cooper XXII said: It would not have been so bad if they only destroyed the Baratheon family. They messed up Westeros. Robert took over a prospering kingdom and it's drowning in debt within a few years. In that there's plenty of blame to go round. Also they're not the only family who's instability has destroyed them. The Lannisters would have comfortably seen out this war had they not been such a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee-Sensei Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 9 hours ago, TeethGrinder said: By who? And why? The only scenario where Stannis does it is after he's defeated and broken. Aegon and Dany have absolutely no reason to give anything to the Baratheons, particularly one so fond of Robert. Because they need someone to rule the Stormlands? It’s entirely possible for Dany or Aegon to understand that a son isn’t responsible for the crimes of his father (and Roberts Rebellion was completely justified anyways). Moreover, Edric is a recognized bastard of Robert Baratheon with noble parents on both sides. He’s educated, he never misses out on his training, he looks like Robert and Renly and according to Stannis, he has their charm as well. Robert and Renly were beloved. If Stannis and Shireen do die, it’s very likely that Edric will get Storms End. Not unlike Gendry did in the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee-Sensei Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 18 hours ago, James Fenimore Cooper XXII said: It would not have been so bad if they only destroyed the Baratheon family. They messed up Westeros. Robert took over a prospering kingdom and it's drowning in debt within a few years. Prospering Kingdom? Sure. Let’s go with that. It wasn’t torn by a Civil War started by the Targaryens under a mad tyrant that tried to burn half a million people in their capital city alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullrout Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 On 8/20/2020 at 11:07 AM, TeethGrinder said: SHAME! But no the Baratheon's are doomed and have been from the start - They're tragic by design. Remove any of the major character flaws from Robert/Stannis/Renly and they likely would have been unstoppable. This is the tragedy of their story. Needlessly isolated in a time where cooperation was so important. Had any of the two brothers been more closely aligned, more willing to work with each other they're probably still in power. Robert's drunkenness and ignorance, Stannis' bitterness and stubborness, Renly's vanity and arrogance - They all played their part in the destruction of the family. They're idiots by design. Robert was being cuckolded beneath his nose by the very man he chose to keep on his Kingsguard. His kingdom got slyly taken away from him by the Lannister twins, of all people. Jaime and Cersei aren't the smartest of people but they outwitted Robert. Wasn't hard to do. There isn't going to be a next Baratheon lord of Storm's End. Westeros will experience a long freeze. Stannis is a fake Azor Ahai and he will pay for that deception. The Targaryens and their allies will take control of the Storm Lands. A Baratheon is not needed. Gendry is not going to rule anything. His job as a blacksmith is to forge weapons. Maybe he will forge the equivalent of Valyrian Steel and has to kill Arya to do it. But there is no reason at all to remove his bastard status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee-Sensei Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 19 hours ago, Bullrout said: They're idiots by design. Robert was being cuckolded beneath his nose by the very man he chose to keep on his Kingsguard. His kingdom got slyly taken away from him by the Lannister twins, of all people. Jaime and Cersei aren't the smartest of people but they outwitted Robert. Wasn't hard to do. There isn't going to be a next Baratheon lord of Storm's End. Westeros will experience a long freeze. Stannis is a fake Azor Ahai and he will pay for that deception. The Targaryens and their allies will take control of the Storm Lands. A Baratheon is not needed. Gendry is not going to rule anything. His job as a blacksmith is to forge weapons. Maybe he will forge the equivalent of Valyrian Steel and has to kill Arya to do it. But there is no reason at all to remove his bastard status. They can’t be that stupid. They managed to topple a 300 year old dynasty and conquer a continent the size of South America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Sidious Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 Robert's bastards will procreate but they will be non-factors. Edric Storm will end up in the hands of Queen Daenerys. Perhaps, if he bends his knees, she may legitimize him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James West Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 On 8/22/2020 at 3:24 PM, Lee-Sensei said: They can’t be that stupid. They managed to topple a 300 year old dynasty and conquer a continent the size of South America. Means nothing. Samwell Tarly had sex. Even a blind squirrel will occasionally find a nut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee-Sensei Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 1 minute ago, James West said: Means nothing. Samwell Tarly had sex. Even a blind squirrel will occasionally find a nut. It’s not a one off. They seemed to have a record of producing great warriors and they’re one of only two families to conquer Westeros. The other one needed dragons to do it. The Baratheons did it with a warhammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James West Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Just now, Lee-Sensei said: It’s not a one off. They seemed to have a record of producing great warriors and they’re one of only two families to conquer Westeros. The other one needed dragons to do it. The Baratheons did it with a warhammer. The Targaryens held their kingdom together for a lot of those 300 years without dragons. The Baratheons didn't last two decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee-Sensei Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 4 hours ago, James West said: The Targaryens held their kingdom together for a lot of those 300 years without dragons. The Baratheons didn't last two decades. They held the Kingdom together, because they’d already had well over a century of rule. They were established and people just accepted that they were Kings. If the Baratheons are idiots, what does that say about the Targaryens. They were crushed. The Blackfyres tried to topple the Targaryens around 5 times. The Baratheons tried once and succeeded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Fenimore Cooper XXII Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 On 8/21/2020 at 7:15 AM, Eltharion21 said: On the other hand he did rid the realm of Targaryens so it is even-Steven. On the other hand a wild boar unzipped him rather nicely. Spilling his entrails for all the world to see. Comeuppance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Fenimore Cooper XXII Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 On 8/24/2020 at 10:20 PM, James West said: Means nothing. Samwell Tarly had sex. Even a blind squirrel will occasionally find a nut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eltharion21 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 1 hour ago, James Fenimore Cooper XXII said: On the other hand a wild boar unzipped him rather nicely. Spilling his entrails for all the world to see. Comeuppance. On the other hand he did kill that boar too, so again even Steven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eli Cross Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 On 8/30/2020 at 10:24 AM, Eltharion21 said: On the other hand he did kill that boar too, so again even Steven. Even Steven indeed. Robert's life was the equivalent of a wild boar's. That would make Robert's value equivalent to that of a pulled pork barbecue sandwich and a side of greasy chips in today's money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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