Fury Resurrected Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fury Resurrected Posted January 7, 2021 Author Share Posted January 7, 2021 45 sort of concedes there will be a transition of power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Fury Resurrected said: 45 sort of concedes there will be a transition of power He's still going to jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, Spockydog said: He's still going to jail. No chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fury Resurrected Posted January 7, 2021 Author Share Posted January 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, Spockydog said: He's still going to jail. I’d celebrate this but I really really doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fury Resurrected Posted January 7, 2021 Author Share Posted January 7, 2021 If you recall the George W Bush administration and the orange jumpsuits never filled despite fooling the country into a baseless war and violent overthrow of another country’s government, you may understand the skepticism. We wouldn’t even pick up Rumsfeld to let The Hague sort him out on war crimes charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 fuck you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 27 minutes ago, BigFatCoward said: No chance. 23 minutes ago, Fury Resurrected said: I’d celebrate this but I really really doubt it. I mean, yeah, I see where you're both coming from. But what the Democrats need to ask themselves is, what will be more damaging to the future stability of the US? The political blowback from unpatriotic morons for prosecuting the myriad crimes of a former mob boss president, or the lesson that you can commit as much blatant criminality and treason as you like whilst in high office, because you're never going to be held to account? Because you can bet your bottom dollar that someone is going to come along, pretty soon, who shares the same disgusting worldview as Trump, whilst not being an incompetent dunderhead. At the very least, for the sake of America, some of his enablers need to be held to account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 24 minutes ago, BigFatCoward said: No chance. The boy. Give us the boy. The one who used to piss himself in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toth Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Timing couldn't be better. This morning I did an online lesson about the Kapp-Lüttwitz Putsch in which rightwing paramilitaries fearing disbandment occupied the Berlin governmental district for four days hoping to reinstate monarchy. I find notable that these morons were also touched with kid gloves while the communist Ruhr uprising after that was put down with extreme prejudice. I don't have much to say except point out that I was also laughed at in this very forum four years ago when I noted that the USA right now feels very much like the Weimar Republic, just dumber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterfell is Burning Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 36 minutes ago, BigFatCoward said: No chance. For a regular president, I'd agree, but the thing about Trump is that, unlike Dubya or most ex-presidents, he won't go out of the spotlight and quit politics. He'll probably run again in 2024 and stay years agitating against both Democrats and Republicans that don't suck up to him enough. He already cost the Republicans control of the Senate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, Toth said: Timing couldn't be better. This morning I did an online lesson about the Kapp-Lüttwitz Putsch in which rightwing paramilitaries fearing disbandment occupied the Berlin governmental district for four days hoping to reinstate monarchy. I find notable that these morons were also touched with kid gloves while the communist Ruhr uprising after that was put down with extreme prejudice. I remember listening to a talk by Michael Parenti where he talks about a similar dynamic in pre-facist Italy. The right wing goons were treated with kid gloves by the cops and the courts where the left wingers were prosecuted at a much higher rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Winterfell is Burning said: He already cost the Republicans control of the Senate. They need him and his spawn to go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, Winterfell is Burning said: For a regular president, I'd agree, but the thing about Trump is that, unlike Dubya or most ex-presidents, he won't go out of the spotlight and quit politics. He'll probably run again in 2024 and stay years agitating against both Democrats and Republicans that don't suck up to him enough. He already cost the Republicans control of the Senate. I have to believe there are still a few "law and order" republicans who are pretty disgusted with his behavior since the election. Then again, if the stuck with him this long, maybe not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 In terms of historical analogies, there is also this, the only successful coup in the USA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilmington_insurrection_of_1898 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broken one Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Wow, just wow If this is happening in the USA then I just cannot imagine how and when present Polish regime would hand over power. It may be Romania 1989 scenario, I am afraid. Just seen some pictures from WH on Insta. These guys look like from a horror, I mean the ones who would murder you when wou're on a picnic in Appalachian Mountains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toth Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 15 minutes ago, Deadlines? What Deadlines? said: I remember listening to a talk by Michael Parenti where he talks about a similar dynamic in pre-facist Italy. The right wing goons were treated with kid gloves by the cops and the courts where the left wingers were prosecuted at a much higher rate. That's a pretty common dynamic when your executive branch is filled with people implicitly agreeing with said right-wing goons. When preparing my lessons I noted much to my irritation the history book quoting military officials refusing to smoke out the nationalists and monarchists in Berlin because they wouldn't shoot at former comrades (since most paramilitaries were disgruntled WW1 veterans). What the book left out was reasoning why they DID shoot at the communists, which I would find interesting to hear because last time I looked up the "Rote Ruhrarmee" was just as much made up of WW1 veterans, the difference being only that those were communists (that were also trying to overthrow democracy and butter up to the Soviet Union, mind you, my reasoning is that they should have been both treated exactly the same). It's just like reading the disgusting transcript of when Hitler was sentenced to 5 years for his insurrection in Munich. Four policemen and a civilian died and the judge went on and on and on about how it's not that bad because they were thinking they were patriots saving their country. I hope that judge burns in hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 What offences/likely sentences are available for forcing entry yesterday (assuming no other criminal offences were commited). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, Toth said: That's a pretty common dynamic when your executive branch is filled with people implicitly agreeing with said right-wing goons. When preparing my lessons I noted much to my irritation the history book quoting military officials refusing to smoke out the nationalists and monarchists in Berlin because they wouldn't shoot at former comrades (since most paramilitaries were disgruntled WW1 veterans). What the book left out was reasoning why they DID shoot at the communists, which would find interesting to hear because last time I looked up the "Rote Ruhrarmee" was just as much made up of WW1 veterans, the difference being only that those were communists (that were also trying to overthrow democracy and butter up to the Soviet Union, mind you, my reasoning is that they should have been both treated exactly the same). It's just like reading the disgusting transcript of when Hitler was sentenced to 5 years for his insurrection in Munich. Four policemen and a civilian died and the judge went on and on and on about how it's not that bad because they were thinking they were patriots saving their country. I hope that judge burns in hell. Well, as they saw it, replacing bourgeois democracy with worker democracy - Stalinist Marxism-Leninism had not yet been formulated, so these were literal Workers Councils. The Soviet Union itself would not actually exist for another two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Spockydog said: He's still going to jail. Highly doubtful, but i do like your optimism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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