Spare a Moment for H&M, Part 3

[Tywin et al.]

4 minutes ago, BigFatCoward said:

yeah, nothing says secretive and discreet like driving round and round over and over. 

When people know you have a fuck ton of money, jewelry, etc. you're more likely to be someone exposed to a home invasion. No one wants to be Sean Taylor, for example. And these two have so much more than he did.

[BigFatCoward]

Just now, Tywin et al. said:

When people know you have a fuck ton of money, jewelry, etc. you're more likely to be someone exposed to a home invasion. No one wants to be Sean Taylor, for example. And these two have so much more than he did.

they have a security team, come on.  Also, they weren't staying at home, they don't take the crown jewels with them when they go away for a weekend. 

[BigFatCoward]

3 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

Which is fine. You get your picture taken at these events. They're public. But when you leave, especially when you're just trying to get home or to your hotel, you're now clearly being private. Following people doing so is gross. Why are we having to belabor this? 

this i very much agree with.  Once you leave a public event you should be off limits (if you want to be) even if you built your whole career utilising the press.  even the Kardashians, yak, deserve some peace. 

[Cas Stark]

Just now, Tywin et al. said:

When people know you have a fuck ton of money, jewelry, etc. you're more likely to be someone exposed to a home invasion. No one wants to be Sean Taylor, for example. And these two have so much more than he did.

So, you think the paps were going to rob them?  Isn't part of A list security having back up plans?  If it was such a huge issue that no one know where they were staying, why no contingency plan?  The Met Gala was just a couple of weeks ago, tons of A listers and not one incident.  I can't honestly remember the last incident in NYC with a celeb and paps.  Drama and chaos follow Harry and Meghan.

[Tywin et al.]

1 minute ago, BigFatCoward said:

they have a security team, come on.  Also, they weren't staying at home, they don't take the crown jewels with them when they go away for a weekend. 

They still had jewelry on them and security couldn't prevent people from stalking them. Come on dude. 

[BigFatCoward]

1 minute ago, Tywin et al. said:

They still had jewelry on them and security couldn't prevent people from stalking them. Come on dude. 

this has moved on from press intrusion to imaginary stalking now has it?  

[Heartofice]

I agree that press intrusion is unpleasant and I am no fan of the press.

With H&M its the fucking exceptionalism they demonstrate that is so galling. They want to take advantage of the spotlight and live for the publicity, as long as it serves them, but act like screaming children as soon as even the slightest negative element of that occurs.

Press intrusion, being followed by paps, happens to almost all major celebs and the bigger your celebrity, the more you get followed. There is nothing unusual here. Dealing with the press is a double edged sword and unfortunately for them you need to play the diplomacy game with the press and get them on side or they will slaughter you. That is hardly secret information, and pretty much all the royals and other celebrities seem to understand that. It's baffling how bad at this press stuff these two really are.

[Cas Stark]

6 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

They still had jewelry on them and security couldn't prevent people from stalking them. Come on dude. 

Come on.  Meg was papped just a week ago out 'hiking' wearing $150K of jewelry, by Backgrid I might ad, and no chaos or theft ensued.

[Tywin et al.]

6 minutes ago, BigFatCoward said:

this has moved on from press intrusion to imaginary stalking now has it?  

If you were being followed like that, would you not call it stalking? 

2 minutes ago, Cas Stark said:

Come on.  Meg was papped just a week ago out 'hiking' wearing $150K of jewelry, by Backgrid I might ad, and no chaos or theft ensued.

You never know in the US when someone is going to rob you. It's the fucked up culture we've allowed to happen. Stephon Marbury. for example, got robbed for more than that. It happens. You have to be careful. And you don't know what these creepy fucks following you really want. 

Have you never been robbed? 

[Cas Stark]

Just now, Tywin et al. said:

If you were being followed like that, would you not call it stalking? 

You never know in the US when someone is going to rob you. It's the fucked up culture we've allowed to happen. Stephon Marbury. for example, got robbed for more than that. It happens. You have to be careful. And you don't know what these creepy fucks following you really want. 

Have you never been robbed? 

I was robbed on the street once in Boston by a homeless person, no injury and he was prosecuted. 

Yes, indeed, the US is dangerous, this is why some people laughed when Harry proclaimed he was fleeing the non violent, press controlled UK for the free speech and millions of gun US for his 'safety'.  

[Tywin et al.]

11 minutes ago, Cas Stark said:

I was robbed on the street once in Boston by a homeless person, no injury and he was prosecuted. 

Yes, indeed, the US is dangerous, this is why some people laughed when Harry proclaimed he was fleeing the non violent, press controlled UK for the free speech and millions of gun US for his 'safety'.  

Because he felt unsafe. For himself and his wife. That's where this conversation should begin and end. That they're famous people would only magnify their fear. Like what the fuck are we talking about here?

[Heartofice]

1 minute ago, Tywin et al. said:

Because he felt unsafe. For himself and his wife. That's where this conversation should begin and end as nobodies. That they're famous people would only magnify their fear. Like what the fuck are we talking about here?

It's how with feelings, nobody can prove either way how real they are, or whether they are deserved.

They might have felt fear, but the question is whether they should have felt that fear, given the lack of jeopardy they were experiencing, and are they just playing up the fear factor for their own benefit. 

[Tywin et al.]

1 minute ago, Heartofice said:

It's how with feelings, nobody can prove either way how real they are, or whether they are deserved.

They might have felt fear, but the question is whether they should have felt that fear, given the lack of jeopardy they were experiencing, and are they just playing up the fear factor for their own benefit. 

You're just believing the worst about them.

I've been rolled up on with someone with a gun. That's real fear. And I'm sure these two feel that all the time.

[Cas Stark]

24 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

Because he felt unsafe. For himself and his wife. That's where this conversation should begin and end as nobodies. That they're famous people would only magnify their fear. Like what the fuck are we talking about here?

He 'felt' unsafe, but he wasn't.  He was always going to be much SAFER on every level, in the UK, in the security bubble of the queen in a country that is objectively safer than the US, objectively has more rules governing press intrusion than the US and objectively has almost no guns.  

What appears to have happened is that Harry never took the idea seriously that his government security would be removed once he quit, and this is his fault, no one elses.  He still hasn't accepted this which is why he's suing the government to get the security he feels he needs/deserves back.  Me, I find it an odd coincidence that this occurred at such an oportune moment for his lawsuit, but I'm the suspicious type.

The truth is, Harry was angry at his family and the media, he was angry that he didn't get his way of keeping all royal perks and being allowed to do million dollar deals on the side. He was angry he couldn't run his media relations the way he wanted to.  So he bounced out of the UK.  That is his right, but he didn't apparently comprehend what he was doing, elsewise he wouldn't always be trying to claw back his working royal perks.  

[Heartofice]

Just now, Tywin et al. said:

You're just believing the worst about them.

...based on numerous examples of them exaggerating, lying and making false claims. I'm fairly confident in my assessment.

[maarsen]

I guess nobody wants to be the next John Lennon.

[Tywin et al.]

24 minutes ago, Cas Stark said:

He 'felt' unsafe, but he wasn't.  

Have you've never been there? Felt unsafe in a real way? Because if not, stop. Like hard stop. 

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The truth is, Harry was angry at his family and the media, he was angry that he didn't get his way of keeping all royal perks and being allowed to do million dollar deals on the side. 

Sure, you know the truth. Like WTF dude? It still sounds likes you're jealous. 

[Cas Stark]

1 minute ago, Tywin et al. said:

Have you've never been there? Felt unsafe in a real way? Because if not, stop. Like hard stop. 

Sure, you know the truth. Like WTF dude? It still sounds likes you're jealous. 

I'm not sure what your point is.  "Feeling" something doesn't make it true.  Yes, I've felt unsafe and I changed my behavior to compensate, I didn't demand the world make me feel safe.  If I had a paranoid meltdown when I was faced with cameras I would endeavor to live a private life that minimized my exposure to same.  

[Heartofice]

Just now, Cas Stark said:

I'm not sure what your point is.  "Feeling" something doesn't make it true.  Yes, I've felt unsafe and I changed my behavior to compensate, I didn't demand the world make me feel safe.  If I had a paranoid meltdown when I was faced with cameras I would endeavor to live a private life that minimized my exposure to same.  

Exactly. It's not up to the world to adapt to make sure Harry doesn't 'feel' anything he doesn't want to feel. If he doesn't feel safe in situations where he absolutely is safe, then that is a problem for him to sort out in his own head.

[Fragile Bird]

@BigFatCoward

The police here in Toronto are so afraid of the public following them home they started a practice of building 4 metre tall fences around police stations. When members of the public complained about the massive fortresses the fences have created, the police said they have the right to protect their employees, that people would come into the parking lots and take pictures of their cars, that people would follow police officers going home. Fences twice the height as the municipal bylaws allow are justifiable.

But H&M being upset about people following them in cars and motorcycles is ok, not something they should worry about?

Not only that, but I see the Toronto police have worked to suppress stories about the fences. You used to be able to Google stories about the fences (I was going to link one here) but after trying 4 different versions of the question about fences, all I get is links to the bylaws, a link to the general police web site, and a link to a story about Drake being allowed to build fences around his mansion the same height as the police fences because so many people try to break into his property. Google responded to my last search with the comment that I didn’t seem to be having much luck with my search request, did I want cake recipes instead. Nice touch, Toronto police, nice touch.