WrathOfTinyKittens Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 It's best to think of those novels together, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Yeah, Caine Black Knife feels like the slightest of the four books until you read Caine's Law, which retrospectively makes it amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexal Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Heroes Die is a good, solid opening novel, but it's really not representative of the series at all. Despite the strong premise, it's reasonably straightforward. Blade of Tyshalle, OTOH, is an extended trip to Planet Whatthefucknuts and is where the series gets most of its praise (along with the genius structural inter-mingling of Books 3 and 4). Just want to add my voice to the choir that Blade of Tyshalle is fucking awesome and really where the series takes off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First of My Name Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I'm glad Caine's Law gives a look at some characters that weren't in CBK. I'm praying Deliann will make an apppearance - he's my favorite character. Also, I'd be thrilled to see Faith and especially Avery Shanks again.Also good to see Stover further explaining some of the events in BoT (and CBK). He's never been big on explanations. (not that he's bad at them, it's more like... like he doesn't give a fuck whether I understand his writing or not). Just want to add my voice to the choir that Blade of Tyshalle is fucking awesome and really where the series takes off.Seconded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First of My Name Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Just finished Caine's Law... fuck me like a virgin goat, my brain has been fried alive. I won't say that I understood everything (some of the how and the why is a still a mystery) but this was a masterfully written book. The 'Now of Always' chapters were amazing. But some things just kinda seem to happen for no reason at all. The ending was reasonably satisfying.Was a very good book, good ending to the series and makes CBK a better book, but it wasn't as good as BoT. More or less equal with HD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underfoot Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 If anyone is curious, there are used paperbacks of Blade of Tyshalle on amazon.com for around $12.00. Also, has anyone else noticed that Scott Lynch reviewed BoT back in 2003? May have been an influence on tLoLL. I just finished BoT and am ready for a break from Overworld. That place is exhausting! Can anyone help me work out exactly which character was which in the interlude mythic chapters? The god of dust and ashes = the Blind God/KollbergThe acolytes of the god of dust and ashes = soapies?The Dark Angel = Caine? Ma'ElKoth?The Crooked Knight = Hari? The spawn of the Dark Angel = ? The child of the river goddess = FaithThe part time goddess = Pallas RilThe two brothers that both fought the Blind God = Deliann before dying/Deliann after dying? The man who had never known defeat/the dead man who came back to life = CaineDragoness = Avery Shanks Am I missing any? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First of My Name Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 If anyone is curious, there are used paperbacks of Blade of Tyshalle on amazon.com for around $12.00. Also, has anyone else noticed that Scott Lynch reviewed BoT back in 2003? May have been an influence on tLoLL. I just finished BoT and am ready for a break from Overworld. That place is exhausting! Can anyone help me work out exactly which character was which in the interlude mythic chapters? The god of dust and ashes = the Blind God/KollbergThe acolytes of the god of dust and ashes = soapies?The Dark Angel = Caine? Ma'ElKoth?The Crooked Knight = Hari? The spawn of the Dark Angel = ? The child of the river goddess = FaithThe part time goddess = Pallas RilThe two brothers that both fought the Blind God = Deliann before dying/Deliann after dying? The man who had never known defeat/the dead man who came back to life = CaineDragoness = Avery Shanks Am I missing any? Ma'elKoth = the man who had been a god and later, the god who had been a manThe two brothers are Caine and Deliann, I believeThe dark angels spawn is RaitheThe rest of these are correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First of My Name Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Can anyone help me work out exactly which character was which in the interlude mythic chapters? The god of dust and ashes = the Blind God/KollbergThe acolytes of the god of dust and ashes = soapies?The Dark Angel = Caine? Ma'ElKoth?The Crooked Knight = Hari? The spawn of the Dark Angel = ? The child of the river goddess = FaithThe part time goddess = Pallas RilThe two brothers that both fought the Blind God = Deliann before dying/Deliann after dying? The man who had never known defeat/the dead man who came back to life = CaineDragoness = Avery Shanks Am I missing any? Nvm, something went really wrong here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First of My Name Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Can anyone help me work out exactly which character was which in the interlude mythic chapters? The god of dust and ashes = the Blind God/KollbergThe acolytes of the god of dust and ashes = soapies?The Dark Angel = Caine? Ma'ElKoth?The Crooked Knight = Hari? The spawn of the Dark Angel = ? The child of the river goddess = FaithThe part time goddess = Pallas RilThe two brothers that both fought the Blind God = Deliann before dying/Deliann after dying? The man who had never known defeat/the dead man who came back to life = CaineDragoness = Avery Shanks Am I missing any? Nvm, something went really wrong here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First of My Name Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Can anyone help me work out exactly which character was which in the interlude mythic chapters? The god of dust and ashes = the Blind God/KollbergThe acolytes of the god of dust and ashes = soapies?The Dark Angel = Caine? Ma'ElKoth?The Crooked Knight = Hari? The spawn of the Dark Angel = ? The child of the river goddess = FaithThe part time goddess = Pallas RilThe two brothers that both fought the Blind God = Deliann before dying/Deliann after dying? The man who had never known defeat/the dead man who came back to life = CaineDragoness = Avery Shanks Am I missing any? IMO:Ma'elKoth is the man who had been a god and later, the god who had been a man.The two brothers are Caine and Deliann.The dark angels spawn is Raithe.The crooked knight is Deliann.The rest of these are correct, though the acolytes include more people than just the soapies (the Board of Governors, for example). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First of My Name Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Okay something went really wrong here :/The fourth comment is the one I meant to post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry. Posted July 27, 2014 Author Share Posted July 27, 2014 If anyone is curious, there are used paperbacks of Blade of Tyshalle on amazon.com for around $12.00. Also, has anyone else noticed that Scott Lynch reviewed BoT back in 2003? May have been an influence on tLoLL. I just finished BoT and am ready for a break from Overworld. That place is exhausting! Sci might the only other one here to have participated back then, but I recall around 2002-2003 when I was active at the old Dead Cities forums that Lynch was a regular and that he was working on a novel back then that Stover had read snippets of and praised highly. I feel old now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First of My Name Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 I've started my first reread of BoT. 'Zero' is a great opening to the book, and the the descriptions of Hari's post-Acting life always make me sad.Does anybody what the cover of the book represents? The man is obviously Caine, but what is that thing he's facing? (It kinda reminds me of an eye, which could be a symbol for the blind god). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underfoot Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 IMO:Ma'elKoth is the man who had been a god and later, the god who had been a man.The two brothers are Caine and Deliann.The dark angels spawn is Raithe.The crooked knight is Deliann.The rest of these are correct, though the acolytes include more people than just the soapies (the Board of Governors, for example). Raithe as the Dark Angel's spawn definitely makes sense. Deliann as the Crooked Knight doesn't as much--the Crooked Knight was the one in the beginning who protected the Part Time Goddess, so that would be Hari/Caine? I forgot about the Man Who Had Been a God and the God Who Had Been a Man, that is definitely Ma'elKoth. Thanks! Sci might the only other one here to have participated back then, but I recall around 2002-2003 when I was active at the old Dead Cities forums that Lynch was a regular and that he was working on a novel back then that Stover had read snippets of and praised highly. I feel old now. Wow, and I feel very young. I would have been age 8 - 11 then :P That is very cool though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First of My Name Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Raithe as the Dark Angel's spawn definitely makes sense. Deliann as the Crooked Knight doesn't as much--the Crooked Knight was the one in the beginning who protected the Part Time Goddess, so that would be Hari/Caine? I forgot about the Man Who Had Been a God and the God Who Had Been a Man, that is definitely Ma'elKoth. Thanks! Wow, and I feel very young. I would have been age 8 - 11 then :P That is very cool though! Good point about Deliann, but that description fits for him in every other instance.ETA: I think it has to do withDeliann doing everything he can to prevent HRVP from spreading, which is the same thing Pallas wants. They're more or less on the same side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolverine Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Just reading BoT now and I know it is pretty weenie like of me, but I keep hoping that Harri somehow gets his physical abilities restored. Thought maybe possessing Kosal could do that or some magic on overworld or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First of My Name Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Am I the only one having the impression thatDeliann and Torronell might have been lovers?ETA: I asked Stover about this on his Facebook page and he said:'You are correct. In my opinion. But it's only an opinion, and should not be given undue weight due merely to my privileged position as author. You can also be correct in asserting that there is nothing to their relationship beyond what is specified in the text. Whatever you choose to imagine is as correct as any other option.There are some details of his private life that Deliann prefers remain private.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurble Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 So, I just finished Heroes Die and Blade of Tyshalle and I thought they were freakin' awesome. But Blade of Tyshalle seemed to wrap the series pretty well. Are the books afterwards worth reading? And why are the e-books for the latter two books so expensive? $12?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First of My Name Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Yes, though they're quite different from what you've read so far, particularly Caine's Law - there's not really an antagonist there, but a host of interconnected moments that take place in various timelines and worlds. (Don't worry, it's still freaking awesome. You might not finish CL with your brain intact though). You might not get the same rush and thrill from books 3 & 4 that you got from boks 1 & 2, but you'll get something else in return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Caine Black Knife feels a little bit below standard standing on its own as a first read, but it works amazingly well as the framework around which Caine's Law is built. And Caine's Law is a truly remarkable book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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