Sniffing Sister's and Mother's Panties

[Jaerv]

I don't know much on the subject, but my personal opinion is that the Internet has a pretty huge role in the development of fetishes in our contemporary culture. Fetishes have to be introduced, after all, they're not innate drives, and I think it was much harder to come across fetishes prior to the explosion in communications technologies. Now we have every fetish available to millions of people at the click of a button, and it's just so much easier to not only expose people to those things, triggering an interest, but the Internet has provided so many ways for those people to fulfill/indulge fetishes as well. BDSM wasn't nearly as popular before the Internet and its exposure in tons of modern media, for example. Certainly there's tons and tons of ways fetishes can start, but coming across them in porn and getting an interest that way is a pretty huge one now a days. I never had much of an interest in BDSM until I read and was exposed to tons of it online.

This is why he didn't get elected; there was a subconscious knowledge in the masses that he was responsible for the only true evil to grace the planet: Furries :P

AFAIK, fetishism in the clinical sense of a paraphilia usually describes a relatively stable sexual orientation that is developed in adolescence and doesn’t change much afterwards. In the strict sense, a fetish is physical object that causes sexual arousal. In severe cases, the person can find sexual fulfillment only when the fetish is involved. Typical fetishes are clothing, rubber, footwear, body parts, leather etc... All of these things are parts of everyday live since a long time and do not need to be introduced by the internet.

But I have to admit that the Internet is such a new phenomenon, that we cannot see all its consequences at the moment. Maybe in ten or twenty years there will be a flood of articles describing new paraphilias that can only be explained as effects of the internet. But somehow I doubt that. Paraphilias usually have a deeper psychological meaning / function. I don’t see how you could get that trough the internet.

Concerning the furries: Zoophilia emerged as a surprisingly frequent phenomenon in the US when Kinsey made his explorations into American sex live in the 1940ies…

[Demonblade]

I don't want to offend, but I have to say I do think it IS a bit strange that he would do this. I mean, I was a horny little bastard too at one point, but it would NEVER have even occured to me to swipe my mom's/sis's panties and do that with them. It seems something is really off about his sense of boundaries. I'm not saying he has diabolical plans for his family members, thats not the issue, but the fact that he would repeatedly do that really shows a total lack of respect.

*sigh* Kids these days. No respect at all. In my day, we had a sock to wipe our gizz, and now we have these little brats spoofing all over panties? No respect. None. *rattles cane*

[The Evil Hat]

I agree that he should be given the talk, but restrict it to the actual physical things that he did (IE, sniff his sister's panties). There's little point punishing him for his porn preferences, as I doubt that the majority of people interested in hentai later become furries. Besides, the presence of a fetish does not, as others have said, necessitate that you're going to carry it out or be always unsatisfied in a non-furry relationship or what have you. If he's just discovered porn (and sex in general), he's still experimenting and seeing what interests him. Saying that hentai is wrong is unlikely to help, and that's assuming that he listens and that it's even possible to have this talk without the father dying of embarrassing halfway through recommending his favorite porn sites.

This thread's also made me realize that I never got The Talk. The closest I came was when I thought I'd figured out a real problem and told my dad in the car (eleven or twelve) that gay people couldn't possibly have sex, because they each had the same parts. He said we'd talk about it later, but it never got brought up again and I ended up googling it. I didn't enjoy what came of my "gay people sex" search, but I suppose it'll be interesting to see if a total lack of parental guidance turns me into a deviant a few years down the road.

[MercenaryChef]

Concerning the furries: Zoophilia emerged as a surprisingly frequent phenomenon in the US when Kinsey made his explorations into American sex live in the 1940ies…

sorry, but the connection between bestiality and furries is not a strong one. ask any self-respecting animal-fucker and they will say that furries are really disgusting and weird. ;)

[Jacen]

*sigh* Kids these days. No respect at all. In my day, we had a sock to wipe our gizz, and now we have these little brats spoofing all over panties? No respect. None. *rattles cane*

Are you really insinuating that I sound like a quaint and old-fashioned geezer when I say its disrespectful to blow your load in your MOM'S underwear?

[Jaerv]

This is pretty ridiculous. Porn, it's various types and the stereotypes around them have a huge influence on our sexuality, just like anything else we consume.

If you take a look into Psychopathia Sexualis , the first scientific book concerned with paraphilias, you will see that there are few things in modern porn that have not already been described in the 1870ies by Krafft-Ebing, the psychiatrist who wrote the book.

[WhiteHaven]

No, there's a LOT wrong with that, IMO. Especially in this day and age, when porn is so easily obtainable. How is sniffing your mom and sisters used panties not a big deal?

Wait just a minute. Since when it is a wrong thing when a boy who his experiencing the "joy" of the adolescence is being attracted to his mom or sis? I mean, he probably understood that mother nature told him that women are awesome, that they have tits and an ass and yeah that your penis can get hard when you think of having sex.

As long as he does not make children with his mom or his sis, I can't see anything wrong with that. You won't go to hell for...you know incest and in this case it is not even that. It's a confused boy smelling panties.

To be more precise: I don't think the boy loves his mom or his sister, they are just the two women he grew up with. He probably will go hunt vaginas around his age in no time.

ETA: Just read that he is twelve. He probably can't sort out his feelings and emotions right now. Dad should tell son that it's normal to be confused and horny. Maybe son should stop watching porn...but well THAT's going to be a tough one.

However, in my mind, he just needs someone to talk to about his feelings.

[Eponine]

While I think there's nothing wrong with an interest in women's underwear, I can guarantee that if I discovered as a teenager that my male cousin was stealing and smelling mine, it would have hurt our relationship and I'd have felt unable to be around him - I'm sure that wouldn't be better with a brother. Not saying that reaction is right or wrong, just that I think there's a good chance this kid's sister would feel the same way. So I think this has to be stopped as far as family members are concerned not because the fetish is wrong but because there are people involved who could be hurt.

ETA: hurt might not be the right word. I mean the girl should be able to feel safe frombeing sexualized in her own home as much as the parents can control.

Congrats, I've never seen this asked on the board before.

[kairparavel]

I think the son needs to have The Talk with him, asap. Also, a girlfriend might be in order, non? I mean, if your only potential outlet is porn and panty sniffing, then...ah, yeah, I would encourage finding a girlfriend.

That was kind of my thought, there! Or maybe he'd give up panty-sniffing altogether, if he had sex...which of course, should be safe sex.

OMG. Just googled "hentai". Needs girlfriend, STAT!!! Or he'll be the creepy 24-year old oogling women in fetishwear at WorldCon parties, or the guy who only tips $1 at a time at the strip club.

Is this the advice you'd employ if this were your son at 12? Go find a girl to grope and ogle while hormones and confusion short circuit his brains? Snatch her panties or maybe get laid while he's working things out?

re: It's not weird.

Just to be clear, I suggested it was odd perhaps for a boy his age, not in general. If, like I think it is, he's just checking out what girl panties smell like not what mommy or sister's panties smell like so to me it doesn't fall under 'bad' or 'wrong'.

[Demonblade]

Are you really insinuating that I sound like a quaint and old-fashioned geezer when I say its disrespectful to blow your load in your MOM'S underwear?

Lol Not at all. Are you a quaint and old-fashioned geezer? Did I hit a nerve? I was simply making fun of you pointing out that gizzing on your mom's panties is disrespectful is kind of like explaining to somebody that water is wet. It's an understatement, and a humourous one at that.

[Shryke]

There's just as much shock in Western styled porn. :stillsick:

Just as much? Sure.

Just as obvious? I'd say no.

You've generally got to dig a little in Western Porn to get past the standards.

[Jaerv]

sorry, but the connection between bestiality and furries is not a strong one. ask any self-respecting animal-fucker and they will say that furries are really disgusting and weird. ;)

That's the old problem of insider vs. outsider perspective. The Scots and the English also claim that they have absolutely nothing in common... ;)

[Cantabile]

If you take a look into Psychopathia Sexualis , the first scientific book concerned with paraphilias, you will see that there are few things in modern porn that have not already been described in the 1870ies by Krafft-Ebing, the psychiatrist who wrote the book.

It's not that the Internet has invented any new ones, so much that modern information technologies allow people to access and be exposed to those things at rates and numbers that were unimaginable in the past. I'm not saying the Internet is creating fetishes in the sense of creating previously undocumented ones, but that it's creating them for individuals, who wouldn't have likely developed those fetishes if they didn't have exposure to them through porn.

Wait just a minute. Since when it is a wrong thing when a boy who his experiencing the "joy" of the adolescence is being attracted to his mom or sis? I mean, he probably understood that mother nature told him that women are awesome, that they have tits and an ass and yeah that your penis can get hard when you think of having sex

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe I've read that it's actually very common and normal for boys to be sexually attracted to women close to them at the beginning of their sexual emergence, even if it's close friends or family members. Studies have shown that incest is one of the universal morals, being a biological response towards members of the opposite sex we spend a certain amount of time with during our infancy, basically evolution's way of preventing inbreeding. Yet at the same time, I don't think it's TOO weird for when you first hit puberty to make the unspoken mental connection "Thinking of boobs gives me this funny feeling down below, which is pleasant. My sister has boobs!" Of course not everyone does this, but it's in no way means that the person is into incest.

When I was growing up, one of my friends developed a thing for spanking as soon as he hit puberty. He had no attraction to his mom whatsoever, but the concept of a woman spanking him turned him on, so he would purposely try to get into trouble so that his mom would spank him. It's not that he was into incest, it's just that he had just hit puberty, and wasn't yet fully versed in this new world.

[delete this account pls]

Sounds like it's time for The Talk.

(The Talk means neutering, right?)

[Spastic Plastic]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe I've read that it's actually very common and normal for boys to be sexually attracted to women close to them at the beginning of their sexual emergence, even if it's close friends or family members.

I've never felt like this, strangely enough. When I lived with my mom and sister, I was very close to them. But I never thought of either in a sexual way...and I'm pretty sure those guys who have fantasies about incest don't have sisters. My sister would be the last person I'd want as a girlfriend, second to my mother. Just the thought of jacking off in their underwear makes me go :stillsick:

On a related note, I stopped feeling possessive towards my mom and sister at a very early age. I was always on friendly terms with my sister's boyfriends instead of antagonizing them (like some big brothers do), and my sister was cool with my ex-girlfriends. She's like my best female friend.

So this kid's behavior creeps me out. A good old-fashioned neutering is in order. Cantabile, do your duty as the head of the family and take the scissors to his penis.

[Shryke]

Siblings and such are actually almost never attracted to one another. It's the Westermarck Effect.

Though remember this applies to essentially anyone they spend time with as a very young child and has little to do with genetics.

[Jaerv]

It's not that the Internet has invented any new ones, so much that modern information technologies allow people to access and be exposed to those things at rates and numbers that were unimaginable in the past. I'm not saying the Internet is creating fetishes in the sense of creating previously undocumented ones, but that it's creating them for individuals, who wouldn't have likely developed those fetishes if they didn't have exposure to them through porn.

The cause for fetishism is probably a deeper psychological process. Below is a very brief description of two theoretical approaches from wiki.:

Over the past decades, various case studies have been published in which fetishism could successfully be linked to emotional problems. Some argue that a lack of parental love leads to a child projecting its affection to inanimate objects, others state in consent with Freud's model of psychosexual development that premature suppression of sexuality could lead to a child getting stuck in a transitory phase. One of Freud’s defense mechanisms, displacement, is the redirection of an impulse onto a substitute target. Someone who feels uncomfortable with their sexual desire for a real person may therefore substitute a fetish.

You do not acquire this from the internet. The internet may give you ideas concerning the object that fits best to your specific emotional issue, but usually the objects are pretty normal stuff: Shoes, panties, body parts etc. Maybe that will change a bit in the future and we will get lots of tentacle fetishists. But then the internet is still not the cause of the fetish, it delivers only the surface (i.e. the specific object).

[Cantabile]

Siblings and such are actually almost never attracted to one another. It's the Westermarck Effect.

Though remember this applies to essentially anyone they spend time with as a very young child and has little to do with genetics.

Yeah, that was the study I was talking about.

I'm pretty sure I've read that sexual attraction to mothers, in some capacity, isn't too abnormal in the beginning of sexual emergence though. I'd have to look back into it, though.

So this kid's behavior creeps me out. A good old-fashioned neutering is in order. Cantabile, do your duty as the head of the family and take the scissors to his penis.

Despite all this talk of incest, I highly, highly, highly doubt my grandson has any sexual interest in his mother or sister. Pretty positive it's just the woman-scent/panties thing, and since he lives in the same house as them that's the easiest source for him.

My son said he'd talk to the kiddo in an hour or so when he gets back from a friend's house. So hopefully the whole affair will be resolved soon :)So long as the mother doesn't find out, freak out, and forever scar and shame the kid for life, that is.

[BigFatCoward]

off topic but slightly interesting.

incest laws in the uk used to say it was ok for a man to fuck his granny, because incest laws used to be based on the concerns about freaky babies, not social and moral objections. it was assumed that a man who was old enough to have sex with his gran wouldn't be able to impregnate her, due to her being post menapausal. true story.

obviousy this was before the current jeremy kyle generation where women can be grannies around 30!

[Analu]

It's a little odd for a pubescent boy to be masturbating with/to a pair of panties, probably. I don't know. I'm not nor have been a pubescent boy. And I don't have kids. As for the source of the panties, I'm willing to bet he just sees 'girl/woman scent' and not 'sister/mom scent.'

Well, as a guy with a functioning penis and who was a horny little toad at that age, I don't think it's as innocent as just wanting to smell the "women's scent".

It seems like a lot of the female posters on here seem to think the same as you and that it being his mom/sisters panties is just a matter of convenience. And you could be right, but I still think it's weird as hell.

Wait just a minute. Since when it is a wrong thing when a boy who his experiencing the "joy" of the adolescence is being attracted to his mom or sis? I mean, he probably understood that mother nature told him that women are awesome, that they have tits and an ass and yeah that your penis can get hard when you think of having sex.

As long as he does not make children with his mom or his sis, I can't see anything wrong with that. You won't go to hell for...you know incest and in this case it is not even that. It's a confused boy smelling panties.

Okay, let's see a show of hands from the guys here. How many of you have ever whacked one out to the image of your mom and/or sisters? I'm guessing no one has. Or even if you have, aren't willing to admit it here. Why not? Because it's wrong, that's why. You just know it's inherently wrong. Or at least I do.

Now substitute their image with their used panties, which he's using on a regular basis, and it becomes even creepier. When I stroked one out at his age, it was to Pamela Anderson or whoever was the hottie at that time. Maybe to my hot junior high English teacher. Never, ever to my mom or sisters.

For him to do this once or twice? Okay. But like someone said above, it seems really disrespectful to them to continually do something like this.