SerArthurHeath Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Roland Deschaine. Though it depends on what an antihero is defined as Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerArthurHeath Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Didn't Milton not intendt for Lucifer to be as popular as it became?I'm not snarking, that's an actual question, I swear I read that somewhere. Not that he isn't an anti-hero, I just don't think he was intended to be one.Milton did not intend for Lucifer to be at all sympathetic. Which is a shame because Lucifer is so interesting when written sympathetically."we didn't say it. Milton said it. And he was blind."I might just add Morpheus to my antihero list. And Sandman's Lucifer. And granny Weatherwax. I read about Pratchett's application to Dignitas today. It made me very sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datepalm Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 How can this thread have gone three pages all ready and no one has mentioned Raistlin?I wanted to, but I always tend to think that he might be best left unexamined too closely. Although, if we're going there, I rather like Haplo from the Deathgate Cycle at the time, who was an interesting...I suppose anti-villain might be more the term. And granny Weatherwax. I read about Pratchett's application to Dignitas today. It made me very sad.Me too. Why Granny though? I don't think she's ever less than sympathetic or morally in the right. Rincewind maybe? Oh, or Death. There a protagonist with unusual motivations for a hero. stupid sad irony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logen Ninefingers Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 I have to go with Jon Shannow the Jerusalem Man for favourite anti hero.Locke Lamora has to be up there as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerArthurHeath Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 I wanted to, but I always tend to think that he might be best left unexamined too closely. Although, if we're going there, I rather like Haplo from the Deathgate Cycle at the time, who was an interesting...I suppose anti-villain might be more the term.Me too. Why Granny though? I don't think she's ever less than sympathetic or morally in the right. Rincewind maybe? Oh, or Death. There a protagonist with unusual motivations for a hero. stupid sad irony.I disagree, she gets called up on her methods all the time. She has major morality issues (about what she feels she should be) especially in Witches Abroad. When she is being good, she still goes about it in a confrontational manner. She scares Death. She is mean. And I chose her, not Rincewind (though I might have chosen Vimes, or maybe Moist due to the recentness of his books, or Vetinari if I thought he was major enough) because she sprang to mind because her character is so strong. Rincewind is a great character for other reasons but I reread "I Shall Wear Midnight" the other day and it put Granny in my mind. I loved that book. I love Terry Pratchett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkynJay Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Sorry, Granny is a hero. She may question her methods to her own self, but she always does right. Amazing character, one of my favorites, but always a hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickg Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 I would have mentioned raistlin, who's a personal favorite from years ago, but I have already used up my "posts containing dragonlance references" for this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUyushu Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 I'd be inclined to say Covenant if the series hadn't bored me to tears. So...The Bloody NineAgreed on Covenant, and beyond that I don't see Covenant as an anti-hero, he's more of a whiny bitch reluctant hero. I enjoy many of the ones mentioned such as Tyrion, Glokta, and Karsa Orlong, but another good one is Angus Thermopyle from Donaldson's Gap series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerArthurHeath Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Sorry, Granny is a hero. She may question her methods to her own self, but she always does right. Amazing character, one of my favorites, but always a hero.To borrow from TV Tropes"Type II: The "Disney Anti-Hero"This is arguably what the term often means in common speech—a character who contrasts with a squeaky clean Knight in Shining Armor—perhaps a Knight in Sour Armor. The term "Disney" is used, because giving it some thought, this character is actually pretty much a pure hero, with Heroic Spirit, except that they don't have the positive mental attitude that generally comes with being a straight hero. Very frequent amongst the Mr. Vice Guy. Like a Type I, a Type II antihero stands a good chance of transforming into a straight hero over the course of the story once they confront their internal conflicts, find someone they want to protect, etc.Knight in Sour Armor is a specific trope."Sounds pretty much like Granny to me. As I say it depends on your definition of an antihero- it's a pretty loose term Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkynJay Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Ya, it is a loose definition. By that one, I guess Granny fits, and I was earlier wrong.Still, I am going with Gloka, cause he fits what I personally was thinking of anti-hero originally better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerArthurHeath Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Ya, it is a loose definition. By that one, I guess Granny fits, and I was earlier wrong.Still, I am going with Gloka, cause he fits what I personally was thinking of anti-hero originally better.Well TV tropes is excellent but not the Oxford Dictionary. It's so subjective a term that I think it's best not to say that you were wrong earlier but that we were both right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolverine Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 I am heartened that none of you has answered "Kellhus."Why would anyone say Kellhus? Isn't he just a hero?Anyhow I, unlike many, love Karsa Orlong. Glokta was definitely the first one who came to mind for me. For Pete's sake he is a torturer, a very good one!I don't know if I would count Zakalwe since you don't know he is the chairmaker until the end. I would maybe add Dimitry Karamazov to the list. (if he counts) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myshkin Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 I would maybe add Dimitry Karamazov to the list. (if he counts)He doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asarlai Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Clyde Shelton.How can this thread have gone three pages all ready and no one has mentioned Raistlin?Because he's an actual hero and we all wanted him to become a god? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abolesco Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Captain Nemo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grack21 Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Yeah. Kellhus.I guess I wouldn't consider him an anti hero, based on the first three at least, because I didn't think he was supposed to be sympathetic or likable at all. I want to smack that man. With a warhammer.No one mentioned Raistlin cause Dragonlance tends to cause giant flame wars of doom. I was gonna say Haplo from Death Gate. Still like those books, and they have an undeserved bad rep around here, imo. Glokta is awesome. Also, Severus from Book of the New Sun.Would Conan count as an anti-hero? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterbound Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Yeah. Kellhus.I guess I wouldn't consider him an anti hero, based on the first three at least, because I didn't think he was supposed to be sympathetic or likable at all. I want to smack that man. With a warhammer.No one mentioned Raistlin cause Dragonlance tends to cause giant flame wars of doom. I was gonna say Haplo from Death Gate. Still like those books, and they have a well deserved bad rep around here, imo. Glokta is awesome. Also, Severus from Book of the New Sun.Would Conan count as an anti-hero?There, fixed that for ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grack21 Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 There, fixed that for ya. Have you even read them? Or are you just talking out your ass again. You should get that checked, it seems to be a problem for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickg Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 No one mentioned Raistlin cause Dragonlance tends to cause giant flame wars of doom. I was gonna say Haplo from Death Gate. Still like those books, and they have an undeserved bad rep around here, imo. Haplo is a good call and Death Gate is great. I guess they get that rep because people see the authors and all inclination of reading them is replaced by " ewwww dragonlance sucks and I fucking hate tasslehoff burrfoot and his ridiculously colored leggings". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickg Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Have you even read them? Or are you just talking out your ass again. You should get that checked, it seems to be a problem for you.Most people probably haven't, which is annoying. I'd take that over a poorly written WoT any day, at least the characters dont make me want to punch my dog in the face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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