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gods, i was feeling so sad with the whole taking winterfell scene and then with ser rodrik being killed- but the way alfie allen portrayed theon here made me feel even more symphatetic to him i guess cause of the whole reek business..... specially now that ramsay has been confirmed!

ygritte was also wonderful- liked her better than in the books, and i was okay with the tywin opening up to his cup-bearer, i guess.

i didn't mind that much about dany's story in this episode apart from the "who has the dragons now?" issue.

But San/San was jsut wonderful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! of course that watching sansa almost being raped was horrible, but the way sandor saved her- epic, and he finally said LB! oh gods, and it was great to see that we will have another moment with these two next week :D

about shae/sansa... i like it cause it will mean trouble once sansa gets married to tyrion, (i'm sure their marriage won't be ignored the way san/san was up till this episode) so S3 will have some tension between these 3 people.. but i didn't like it cause sansa does not trust her maids in the books- she only comes to trust to a point both sandor and dontos, but her handmaidens! still, not that bothered about it.

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So, the letter Talisa was writing, was she actually sarcastic when she said she was a spy?

She may have told the truth jokingly, so that no one would be suspicious of her.

"The Young Wolf is on the move.."

Was that what she really wrote?

I posted the text of the letter just a couple pages before your post. Here it is again:

Marching ten thousand west to Lannisport _____

the tooth. Estimate to reach you by week's end. Sco___

Robb Stark moving troops south by coast __ __ will ___

turn east at Silverhill

It cannot be from Talisa or Roose, it has to be from a Lannister bannerman, or a fake letter planted by Tywin.

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I never knew how to pronounce Ygritte before (While reading I'd always say "Ya-Greet"). So now I know....

Edited by Lady Katherine

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With the change to Jon's story I'm worried that his fight with Quorin Halfhand might turn out ot be real, rather than an effort to prove Jon as a turncloak, or not shown at all. In either case Jon will seem less loyal to the Night Watch.

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Did anyone else love that look Tyrion gave Cersei after the threat? At first, I thought he was going to make a snarky comment which I would usually love but his silence made the scene more powerful. Not only did he seem worried about Shae, but I felt like he was also thinking about what Tywin did to Tysha. Or maybe I'm thinking about it too much.

CRACKPOT THEORY: Littlefinger is capable of the duplication trick Pyat Pree can do and is literally everywhere at once. That's how he knows everything. It probably goes without saying that I'm being sarcastic.

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I called here Igg-Ritt

Me too, so switching to Eeee-grit isn't a big adjustment for me. I have a dear friend who insists on calling Tyrion "Tyrone," though, which makes me cringe.

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Okay. So like anyone watching a show, I have my likes and dislikes:

The scene at Winterfell was great. Sure, there are only like eight people living in Winterfell, but they did the best with what they had. I like the change of having Theon behead Rodrik. I do wish that Ramsey and Reek were introduced earlier, but the mere mention of Roose mentioning his bastard was enough for me.

Naked Nymphadora? Oops, Tonks!

Sure, Tywin's being a little too chatty with Arya, but they're still some seriously amazing, award nominating performances. I really like Jaqen, I'm gonna miss him. While I don't like the tickler's death (because I was so looking forward to seeing that in SoS) I like the killing of Amory Lorch, instead of the useless deaths Arya originally chose. I did want the way Jaqen killed Amory to be a little more creative isntead of a dart...

I like tv Ygritte soo much better than book Ygritte. I was cringing waiting for her to say "You know nothing, Jon Snow!" so that I could put my foot through my tv :/ On a side note, it was kind of silly for Jon to not kill her (assuming he's gonna let her go, right?) only to chase her down when she leaves. Huh? I hope he ends up killing Qhorin though.

The Kings Landing riot was as best as they could make it and I enjoyed it! I mean, not only were the horses probably too expensive to get, but that would have been very dangerous for everyone involved to include the horses. San/San was awesome! I somehow thought this would be the only San/San interaction in the book. I wish he didn't carry her like a sack of flour though. He should have carried her like the repenting non-knight he is!

I guess we won't see any more Ser Dontos this season.

It's cool we get to see Robb, since we don't see much of him in CoK. I just wish Catelyn wasn't there to remind him of his duties because now he's gonna look even more like a moron when he marries her. And I don't understand the alias. When he finds out she's Jeyne Westerling, shouldn't the fact that she lied to him about her identity throw him off from marrying her (if not his vow to the Freys).

Okay, to the last scene. I normally don't like new scenes being added to the story (I can deal with leaving stuff out, because I understand its hard to condense a 1000 page novel into a 50 minute 10 episode season) but this one works because Dany didn't really have much to do in CoK except wander around the Red Waste and go to the House of the Undying. And when reading the books I did wonder why no one tried to steal her dragons. I don't care that the storyline was made up, what I did mind was them killing off the rest of her tiny khalasar, and killing off Irri. I know, everyone's like, she's only a handmaiden, she doesn't serve a purpose, blah blah... but why is Doreah still alive? Dany had three handmaids, and the two brown ones who are supposed to be alive (Irri and Jhiqui, no one seems to know what happened to Jhiqui from season one) are dead. Yet Doreah lives when SHE is the one who's supposed to be dead. The "hot" one, whatever. Dont' try to tell me it isn't about this, because it totally is. Okay, whatever. As long as we get to see Dany's visions.

And where were Jorah and Doreah when this was happening??

Oh and I loved the Spice King schooling Dany. I love Dany, she's one of my favorite characters and I do hope SHE will be the one to claim the Iron Throne one day, but tv Dany is getting a little obnoxious. She will take what is hers with fire and blood, she is the Mother of Dragons, she walked into a burning pit, she's immune to fire, she did the impossible, okay we get it!!! She's acting wayyy too entitled, and if I hear that line one more time...

Oh and what is everypne's theory about Dagmer being Ramsay? Did I miss something?

I will now end my post with this:

It is known.

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I like tv Ygritte soo much better than book Ygritte. I was cringing waiting for her to say "You know nothing, Jon Snow!" so that I could put my foot through my tv :/ On a side note, it was kind of silly for Jon to not kill her (assuming he's gonna let her go, right?) only to chase her down when she leaves. Huh? I hope he ends up killing Qhorin though.

The Kings Landing riot was as best as they could make it and I enjoyed it! I mean, not only were the horses probably too expensive to get, but that would have been very dangerous for everyone involved to include the horses. San/San was awesome! I somehow thought this would be the only San/San interaction in the book. I wish he didn't carry her like a sack of flour though. He should have carried her like the repenting non-knight he is!

Okay, to the last scene. I normally don't like new scenes being added to the story (I can deal with leaving stuff out, because I understand its hard to condense a 1000 page novel into a 50 minute 10 episode season) but this one works because Dany didn't really have much to do in CoK except wander around the Red Waste and go to the House of the Undying. And when reading the books I did wonder why no one tried to steal her dragons. I don't care that the storyline was made up, what I did mind was them killing off the rest of her tiny khalasar, and killing off Irri. I know, everyone's like, she's only a handmaiden, she doesn't serve a purpose, blah blah... but why is Doreah still alive? Dany had three handmaids, and the two brown ones who are supposed to be alive (Irri and Jhiqui, no one seems to know what happened to Jhiqui from season one) are dead. Yet Doreah lives when SHE is the one who's supposed to be dead. The "hot" one, whatever. Dont' try to tell me it isn't about this, because it totally is. Okay, whatever. As long as we get to see Dany's visions.

And where were Jorah and Doreah when this was happening??

Oh and I loved the Spice King schooling Dany. I love Dany, she's one of my favorite characters and I do hope SHE will be the one to claim the Iron Throne one day, but tv Dany is getting a little obnoxious. She will take what is hers with fire and blood, she is the Mother of Dragons, she walked into a burning pit, she's immune to fire, she did the impossible, okay we get it!!! She's acting wayyy too entitled, and if I hear that line one more time...

It is known.

Hehe, I don't know about the book Ygritte, but this one is beautiful by both wildling and common standards, and definitely knows how to, ahem, warm Jon up :D Maybe his dirty subconscious was at work while chasing her. An amazing cast choice for Ygritte. But I completely agree with you on the very last scene - where the hell is Doeah and where was Jorah?!! I don't mind the dragons being stolen, it definitely adds to the dynamic, but it seems quite suspicious, almost as if an inside person was involved? And Dany totally got pawned :(

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Okay, to the last scene. I normally don't like new scenes being added to the story (I can deal with leaving stuff out, because I understand its hard to condense a 1000 page novel into a 50 minute 10 episode season) but this one works because Dany didn't really have much to do in CoK except wander around the Red Waste and go to the House of the Undying. And when reading the books I did wonder why no one tried to steal her dragons. I don't care that the storyline was made up, what I did mind was them killing off the rest of her tiny khalasar, and killing off Irri. I know, everyone's like, she's only a handmaiden, she doesn't serve a purpose, blah blah... but why is Doreah still alive? Dany had three handmaids, and the two brown ones who are supposed to be alive (Irri and Jhiqui, no one seems to know what happened to Jhiqui from season one) are dead. Yet Doreah lives when SHE is the one who's supposed to be dead. The "hot" one, whatever. Dont' try to tell me it isn't about this, because it totally is. Okay, whatever. As long as we get to see Dany's visions.

And where were Jorah and Doreah when this was happening??

I'm ok with they adding stuff to make it more interesting, what's going to be difficult is that the "possible dragon theft" was something left open in the book, it was hardly ever considered, specially because it would raise the question and mainly because we always knew how easy it would be until Dany got her Unsullied. It was the magic of it. I always thought of it as some strange politeness or culture feature.

I saw some people saying that maybe it's just to bring her to the HOTU, but then why kill all those guards and Irri ( I really liked her :/ )

It is known. [2]

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I would be very sad if they chose which handmaiden had to die based upon which one was the more attractive actress. Since I think Doreah betrayed them, I don't think it's unreasonable that Irri died in the theft, though. Along with everyone else. It's not like she was singled out.

It would be interesting if Jorah was the betrayer. There wouldn't need to be a huge change for that to be the case, at least through aDwD.

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And what a butcher!!!! How many times did it take Theon to behead Ser Roderick?

It was three times in the book, looked like overkill in the show if u ask me, but i think it got the point across that Theon is weak and has no business doing what he's doing...

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If I were creating a nic for the site, after reading the episode 206 threads, it would have to be Myrcella's Tears. Since it is clearly the most important thing ever to have happened in the history Westeros, books and show combined.

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Damn Charles Dance!

Tywin was one of the Characters i hated most (cause of tyrion and RW)

but now that i see Dance playing him i kind of like him

is dialogues with Arya are pure gold! / and he sticks to the character, just showing us more of his human side

Totally agree I like what they're doing with Tywin. He a typical Martin character not good or evil - just capable of both, I think he would know Arya is a highborn, In the books when Theon is adapting to his new persona he has to take care to say "m'lord"instead of "my lord" to keep from giving away his noble birth.

The character they're doing the worst with has to be Baelish. On the show he seems obvious and not especially clever. In the book he is a total enigma, you can never be sure what his motivations or loyalties are. He just seems to thrive in the chaos. Gillen is doing the best he can with the material but still disappointing.

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Totally agree I like what they're doing with Tywin. He a typical Martin character not good or evil - just capable of both, I think he would know Arya is a highborn, In the books when Theon is adapting to his new persona he has to take care to say "m'lord"instead of "my lord" to keep from giving away his noble birth.

The character they're doing the worst with has to be Baelish. On the show he seems obvious and not especially clever. In the book he is a total enigma, you can never be sure what his motivations or loyalties are. He just seems to thrive in the chaos. Gillen is doing the best he can with the material but still disappointing.

I detest Tywin. I can't wait to see him losing bowel control as he looks incredulously at the crossbow bolt skewering his lower. The only thing I'll enjoy more is Shae's strangling. THAT will be my favorite episode.

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