[Spoilers] The Three Dragon Heads?

[Petyr Patter]

Well, to be fair, its not like he had wikipedia when he started writing. Though he should have had a copy of Funk and Wagnalls.

[kjm16216]

This brings up an interesting point. Dwarfism (achondroplasia) is indeed autosomal dominant, which means there are no "silent carriers" of the gene. Therefore, one of Tyrion's parents would have to have been a dwarf. Which rules out both Tywin and Aerys as possible fathers (along with every other male character we have been introduced to so far).

However, I think what's more likely is that GRRM didn't thoroughly research the genetics of dwarfism... he has pointed out on more than one occasion that this is fantasy, and not everything has a scientific explanation. So I don't think we can use the rules of genetics to figure out the parentage of Westerosi characters (much as I would love to do so!)..

Even if we assume that GRRM maintains the concept of autosumal dominance in Westerosi genetics (Ned's discovery of dark hair dominating lannister blonde repeatedly indicates he does), that does not mean that the same dominant traits here are the same traits there. Dwarfism may well be a recessive trait there. Or brought on by an environmental factor, like fetal alcohol exposure; or other.

While I'm strongly biased that ASOIAF takes place in a deterministic universe - that the laws of physics and chemistry and biology are fixed - that does not mean that the laws operate the same as those that we experience. What appears as "magic" in ASOIAF is only tapping into physical phenomena not understood scientifically to the Westerosi and not present in our universe, IMO. GRRM has stated that he does not use magic as a deus ex machina, but like a natural force. Electricity, magnetism, chemistry would all appear very magic to someone in the 12th century on Earth.

[QueenOfWhiteWalkers]

Arrianne, Aegon and Daenerys! Stop this Jon stuff!

LOL

[mrlukeduke]

Dragons, shadow babies and zombies are fine, but Tywin not being a dwarf?! That's CRAZYTALK! :lol:

[Wildling Queen]

I think we've already seen the three dragon riders, and each has their own device: warging, the horn, and being a dragon. We know that there is a big difference between being a Targ and being a dragon (Daenerys is both, but Viserys was a Targ and not a dragon), so I don't know that being a Targ will necessarily matter so much. I think Dany will ride Drogon because she is a dragon, Victarion will ride Viserion, and Jon will warg into Rhaegal (so that he may be ridden, possibly? He may not need a rider on his back if Jon wargs to control him and Jon could be seen as "riding" the dragon in that scenario. If he does have a rider, I don't know who it will be. I love the idea of it being Tyrion!). *Edited to say: Also, I totally believe that Aegon is the mummer's dragon; however, he may be the rider instead of Tyrion before it's revealed that he's a fake. Also, I believe that R+L=J, but like I said, I don't think that just being a Targ is so important to riding the dragons. I also don't believe that Jon Snow will ever be Jon Snow again. I think he'll be Ghost and then Rhaegal.*

[Alex Stroup]

Here is my theory: I think the Horn of Joramun will reappear and will bring down the Wall and allowing the Others to invade Westeros. Euron will find and tame the missing Dragons with his Valyrian horn and bring them to Daenerys and in return will become one of her Queensquard. Jon, Daenerys, and Aegon will be the 3 Heads of the Dragons (Dragon Riders) seeing how they all have blood of the dragon (If L+R=J theory is right.). Tyrion will create and test saddles for each of the dragons and will become Daenerys Hand of the Queen. When the war with the Others breaks out I think Jon will fight on a dragon for awhile but will eventually get off and fight with his Dragonsteel (Valyrian) sword on foot with the other Brother's of the Night's Watch. When he demounts Bran will warg into the dragon Jon rode and will take over therefore "flying" which was his destiny so to speak. Thousands will die in the battle and since the dead turn into Wights the Others will be overwhelming. During the war, Bran will also get the Children of the Forest to help in the fight. All the power of Westeros will eventually make their way North and help the battle when all hope seems lost. With all the forces of Westeros and the Unsullied and Children of the Forest the tide will switch. The battle will end in fire and blood but eventually the battle will be won. With all of the houses of Westeros finally in peace, Daenerys will become the Queen and will marry Jon who is actually a Targaryen and the realm will live happily ever after with the fandom in tears.

[KingHodorTargaryen]

Here is my theory: I think the Horn of Joramun will reappear and will bring down the Wall and allowing the Others to invade Westeros. Euron will find and tame the missing Dragons with his Valyrian horn and bring them to Daenerys and in return will become one of her Queensquard. Jon, Daenerys, and Aegon will be the 3 Heads of the Dragons (Dragon Riders) seeing how they all have blood of the dragon (If L+R=J theory is right.). Tyrion will create and test saddles for each of the dragons and will become Daenerys Hand of the Queen. When the war with the Others breaks out I think Jon will fight on a dragon for awhile but will eventually get off and fight with his Dragonsteel (Valyrian) sword on foot with the other Brother's of the Night's Watch. When he demounts Bran will warg into the dragon Jon rode and will take over therefore "flying" which was his destiny so to speak. Thousands will die in the battle and since the dead turn into Wights the Others will be overwhelming. During the war, Bran will also get the Children of the Forest to help in the fight. All the power of Westeros will eventually make their way North and help the battle when all hope seems lost. With all the forces of Westeros and the Unsullied and Children of the Forest the tide will switch. The battle will end in fire and blood but eventually the battle will be won. With all of the houses of Westeros finally in peace, Daenerys will become the Queen and will marry Jon who is actually a Targaryen and the realm will live happily ever after with the fandom in tears.

I like this theory except:

Euron is not going to cozy up to Dany unless she becomes his wife. He is going down anyways.

Aegon is likely not a Targ. GRRM also stated that there will be a Dance of Dragon 2.0, so that means things won't end well.

I like your theory for the dragon riders, though instead of Aegon, I think Tyrion will ride one.

Everyone seems to think the Children of the Forest are very friendly and all, but I see them helping or at least agreeing with the point of view of the Others.

[Rysler]

"The dragon must have three heads", said Rhaegar, before crowning the fierce Lyanna over his sickly wife. That alone almost convinces me of R+L=J. So Daenerys and Jon, but the third? There is this Aegon, though strangely I find it too obvious. If it's Targaryen blood we're talking about, there's Stannis with his Baratheonic bloodline, Brown bloody Ben and mayhaps even Tyrion. Though I find Stannis and Ben highly unlikely. Tyrion, though... A VERY interesting idea. There are subtle hints, yes, which is more Martin's style. Bloodraven is all but a tree, Aemon and Viserys are dead and I don't think any more long-lost Targaryens are like to pop up.

Yes, I believe that if there are to be three riders on three dragons, they will be Dany, Jon and Tyrion.

[The Others Take Ya]

she was not deathly ill and hallucinating until well after she rode drogon on "new dragonstone". it was after eating all the berries (probably moonberries, which are a poison) that she got sick (literally one hour later)

From what you wrote I'm assuming you think I meant the first ride that took her to Dragonstone 2.0, but I meant the second one at the very end of her last chapter. The short one after she had eaten the berries and got sick. The dothraki scout rode away after he saw drogon in the sky, she shouted for Drogon, he came down and she clung on for a short ride as he killed the horse, and then she got down and started munching down on horsemeat with him as the Dothraki rode up to her.

Way back in AGOT just after she was married to Drogo she has a dream where the dragons "sing" to her and she's engulfed in their flame. When she wakes up, she feels stronger and better able to deal with her hardships. So I think that's another instance in the books where the dragons give her strength. Couple that with what I mentioned earlier upthread about how Tyrion in AGOT Tyrion I reports that leaving the windows open so comatose Bran hears his wolf seems to make Bran stronger and that's 3 odd instances hinting that the magical bond between the creatures makes the characters physically stronger.

[Orbulas B. Harding]

I think the 2 dragons left behind is Mereen are a lost cause; either falling prey to darkness or being killed.

Whoever the other 2 heads of the Dragon are, if their status entitles them to a dragon they're going to have to seek out their beasts elsewhere.

I just don't see all 3 dragons outliving whatever Euron has planned

... but... the hell if I know

[The Young Falcon]

This may just be me but I have a strong feeling that Stannis will be one of the heads of the dragon. The Baratheon's are said to have dragon blood in them, and while it could be argued that Quentyn did also the Baratheons in general seem to be closer to the Targaeryans in terms of their fierceness and tenaciousness. To that end I think that when they do meet Stannis and Danny will find kindred spirits in one another as they are both younger children who have been denied their rightful thrones by usurpers and are unrelenting in their quest to re-claim it. In the past Danny has often been attracted to strong men who command through their personal strength rather than their birth (e.g. Drogo, Daario) and also shares in her iron view of justice. And in terms of Stannis's looks, people often forget that in Clash of Kings Stannis was only 34, with a strong and a good head of hair, and while GRRM has never gone out of his way to describe Stannis as handsome, he did a similar thing with Yigritte where until Jon noticed her she was described in an unflattering manner in order to make her and Jon's relationship unexpected, and I believe the same will happen to Stannis and Danny. As to how they would share power I think that Stannis and Danny are the only two claimants to the throne who could theoretically share power as Stannis has shown his strong Beleif in the line of succession and duty to ones family and while I don't believe he would give up the throne to Danny I do believe that if offered an aliance he would take the opportunity. Danny I believe upon learning the truth about her father and brother (I don't personally believe in L+R= J) she would be more sympathetic towards Stannis's part in Robert's rebellion, especially when she is forgiving a man who is just what she's looking for.

As to the third head of the dragon, it may seem out of left field but I believe it will be Samwell Tarly. I think that Sam's admission into the fold will come quite near the end of the books or directly before Danny dies. If it occurs before her death it will be because Sam is a sensitive caring man and at her most fragile moment Danny will turn towards Sam for wisdom and comfort. If it happens nearer the end of the book several other things (that I think likely) must first fall into place. It is often mentioned that Randyll Tarly is a dangerous man with the interests of Highgarden at heart, it is because of this that I think that Tomen without the protection of Kevan will be killed in some way by Tarly under the orders of Mace Tyrell. Once Danny takes the iron throne it is likely she will still need to make alliances with those in power in Kingslanding,namely the Tyrells. It is unlikely that Mace would offer the Danny his crippled son nor his second son as either of these could be seen as a slight, naturally then he would want a marriage pact with one of his key banner-men and who better than the man who has provided him with such loyal service. Naturally Randyll would try to marry Danny to Dickon, but if my first prediction is correct then Stannis (who knows of Sam) would be present and perhaps out of spite or jealousy point out that Dickon is second son and that Danny should marry Sam, Stannis believing that Danny would not be interested. However for the aforementioned reasons Danny would find Sam favourable making him the third head of the dragon

[lmgross25]

Okay hear me out before you judge me. So I was reading some of the past threads about Jon and him being L+R=J if that is what you are looking for that isn't what you will find here.

So it got me to thinking about the Political situation right before the Tourney at Harrenhal. Which got me to thinking about Lyanna and why Rheagar would take her. This entire series is about family and claims to the throne. Yet it's also about how well can you make people see one thing and something else is really going on. I don't think that Harrenhal was the first move in the war against the Targs

Lady Dustin tells Theon in ADWD that Lord Rickon had southern ambitions (through his maester who is a hightower by birth possible the son of Marwyn and the citadel was playing it's own game of thrones they wanted to control the prophecy. That's why there was a book in winterfell about dragons they thought that the starks were the key to the problem get back to that in a minute) and that marrying his heir to his own vassal would not do. Why? because those swords are already sworn to house Stark. I want you to think about what Rickon was trying to do with the marriages of Lyanna and Brandon.

Lyanna and Robert if they were to marry Robert's family is next in line for the throne by right of blood. Robert's grandmother was the niece of Aemon targ who was related to the King his brother. Plus through the male line they are Targs not Baratheons they are only Baratheons because Orys married the daughter of the last storm King. So it's through the female line of the house that they are Baratheon.

Then he wanted to marry Cat Tully to his heir Brandon the Tully's having no royal blood what so ever but the castle on the trident and her father is the lord paramount of the riverlands. Riverrun would make a nice fall back castle. Plus they can call on all of the houses of the River. With the Frey's acting as a middle stopping post between the two kingdoms.

Then there is Ned being fostered in the Eyrie to a lord that doesn't have a direct heir. His sister is of no help because she's married and under the law(slavic by the way the book is set up) doesn't stop her from inheriting the throne of the Vale but it does stop her from ruling in her own right and who ever she marries they would be the lord of the Vale. Then her son but as by this time she hasn't had any male children so that's of no help because it places her daughters in the same position that Mary of England was in. Men wanting to marry her because they wanted her crown. Her husband Philippe of Spain left his wife after she refused to hand him the English treasury and the English fleet in the hands of Spain plus her parliment denied signing the documents that gave him the title of King not King consort which are too totally different things. Which is why King Henry went through some much trouble of tying to sire a male heir. That way the house of Tudor would continue through the Male line not the male branch and the female line.

It's the bloodlines.

Peep this. It's brillant and if I hadn't been a detective and did some research I would have totally missed this and it gives reason for the Tourney, why Rheagar choose Lyanna over Cersi and what not. It was about consolidation of the royal bloodlines.

Okay So Aegon the First marries both of his sisters, now Maegor(rhaenys son) had no issue. Yet viserya' son Aenys who like at as not married his sister through Rhaenys has Jaehaerys who marries Alyanne now that's not the cool part this is where is get's twisted and it starts to makes sense.

Jaehaerys hands the throne over to Viserys I who marries first an Arryan and has Rhaenys who started the civil war a dance with dragon so she's half arryan. Then Viserys has a son by a hightower Aegon II this causes the war which neither survives. So the throne passes to Aegon III who is 1/3 arryan when he marries back into the Arryan family. He leaves the throne to his brother who is 1/3 arryan. Now before I continue I would like to point out that one of Aegon's daughter's Daena the mother of the BlackFyre pretenter is part arryan and that's how the arryans are related to the Blackfyre. Now Viserys II marries his sister to produce AegonIV. He produces 4 great bastards but the one's that matter would be the males who one is all targ but because of outside marriages is part arryan(Daemon) then the next is 1/2 targ and 1/2 bracken(Bittlesteel) the last the albino is 1/2 blackwood and 1/2targ(BloodRaven who happens to be north of the wall and he's waiting for the realms of men (Jon) but I will get back to that in a minute, that had dragon and warg dreams and was marked as a wizard). Now if the arryans had joined the fight with Robb in the war of the 5 kings it would have been all of the targ bastards families fighting under the same banner. I'll get back to that.

Now Aegon's son marries into Dorne making it a part of the seven kingdoms so now the Martells are apart of the Targ family bloodline. Now we don't know who but we know that after that alot of the Targ heirs and males marry outside of the family but as they don't inherit the throne they don't matter to this topic. So by the time that Aerys and his sister marry this would be the bloodlines of the Targs that we know of.

Rheagar would have family ties to the Hightowers(who married into the Tyrell and Tarly family), Arryan and the BlackFyre's and have a common ancestor with the Brackens and the Blackwoods from the trident, then there is the Martells of course. Then we know from outside sources Robb when talking to his mother and his marriage to Westerling that they provided brides for house Targ on three separate times. We know that the first Jeyne Westerling that married Maegor had no children. So Grrm said that westerling would be important. If something where to happen to her brother she stands next in line to inherit the westerling lands. Keep that in mind for future reference.

Now let me get back to the House of Arryan, House GreyJoy and Lannister and other house of the Vale(now some of this is speculation but it fits so bare with me).

We know that Cat tells Robb that he needs to name an heir. Now my first thought is why not say Robin but as he's a child I think that's why Cat didn't even mention him as a possibility. Then she mention that his great grand aunt married in the the Junior house of Royce and from there her three daughters marries in to the Waywood, Belmore and she thinks the Templeton family. All of these houses have been in the Vale before the conquest of the Andals. Now she neglects to mention who the Lord of winterfell at this time decides to marry. Now the best way to consolidate power and claims is through marriage. So it stands to reason for Ned to have any claim to the IT then his great gran father is married to an arryan. Meaning that all of they have common ancestors and that gives the Starks a claim the IT because of their common ancestor to all three families.

So if you are trying to make a break from the throne. Which is what I am suggesting Rickon was trying to do. By marrying Lyanna to the heir to the throne of the Seven Kingdoms if something where to happen to the main branch of Targs. The Baratheon's would be the junior cache of house Targ. Unlike the BlackFyre's they actually have legally binding marriages and children from these unions which is different from Daemon and him raising against the realm because he wasn't born in wed lock. Moving forward.

Ned as a son of both house Stark and Arryan from the major cache through the female line would stand as Jon Arryan's as jon's closet male relative from the same line he's from. Note that the uncouth Arryan's stayed true to the crown because they were trying prove that unlike their lord they were loyal. Yet if Jon and co. lose the war with jon and ned dead then the Vale would fall to them to rule. IT had nothing to do with aerys was open handed when pleased. They didn't want a northerner to rule the Vale. So this was the simplest way to accomplish that without the blood being on their hands. The blood would be on Jon. I always found if strange that Aerys would over react like that and demand their heads. To wear a crown is to always be looking at your family and anticipating betrayal. So it stands to reason that he was demanding that he send their heads because they have serious claims to the throne if they should win a rebellion. By removing anyone with royal blood outside of the major cache of the house he's safe guarding his family. Only it appeared to the realm that Aerys was being cruel and that it was the madness that made him demand their heads and killing Brandon and Rickon. The realm doesn't know that Rickon was plotting to rebel and leave the realm of the iron throne and go back to the north being an independant nation, I'll get back to that.

Little know fact about mediveal law. IF a woman is heir to property if she is unwed and kidnapped the kidnapper can force her to marry him and then her lands and incomes become his own because he's a male and her husband. That's food for thought later will I get into that . Just know that Ellinor of Aquitaine was in such a position which is why she married her cousin the french king and has they had 2 daughters after years of marriage they got annulment on the ground that they were first cousins before they wed. Which brings me to my point when she married the king her land got swallowed up by the french and became french territories until she married in to the English family and her lands passed to her son. Making his a very wealth king and ruler of broad lands in continental Europe and England Just a side note on history and how it ties into my theory. Back to that in a minute.

Now the Maester Wylis is a hightower by birth with an anchmaester as a father. After he heads north he starts whispering into the lord of winterfell's ear. Telling him that out of all the kingdoms his is the one that is least governed by the IT. The last time someone of royal birth came to the North was when the dragonknight came north and fought one of your ancestors. Now the Starks are a line of kings unbroken for 8,000 years it was the dragons that Torrenhen bent the knee to and the dragons are all dead. Then there's this prophecy that there will be a PTWP and he will bring back the dragons but what if you could control that prophecy. Marry your daughter to the lord of stormsend. Through their children the lines of house Arryan, Targ, Baratheon and Stark will come together all under one child. Not to mention that this child will as so share ancestors to the Hightowers,Martells,and the Lannisters through the marriage when Castely Rock and the Starks went to war against the Ironborn who also have ties to house Stark through the GreyStarks. When King Jon Stark finished his war with the Iron born to get them out of White Harbor gave the wolf's den to his son and to join the peace with marriage to his daughter(this is speculation but it makes sense right everything after my Gullstown theory so pick it apart if you want but it makes too much sense in my mind not to be true. We have seen time and time again that the way to seal a pact is through the marriage of the two houses. So even though this is theoretical it fits ).

So let me draw the lines of who the Royal families that the Starks are related to even remotely with a common ancestors. The lannisters, GreyJoys, Arryan, Martell, Baratheon, Bracken(kings at one time), Blackwood (which is why they are fighting to this day over a crown that hasn't exsisted for thousands of years but they are still a line of kings) Not to mention that the Lannisters are related to the First Men because Lann the Clever was rumored to be decantent from a line of the first men. His daughter married into an andalos family. The only house that they don't have ties to is house Tyrell and that's because they were stewards that were given Highgarden after their lord died. Yet Robert's mother was a florent and they have ties to the Garden Kings. So there you have it. By Lyanna and Rheagar would to have any children their child would be a child of the realm. Every major kingblood line would be combined into their child. That's what Jon is. The only vow that Jon has ever pledged would be to the realm. He's saying kings words when he's saying his Night's watch vows. Not to mention that the Starks have a decent that was King beyond the wall, who stole Brandon the daughterless who leaves a half stark king and half wildling king behind. There is power in kings blood and Jon has it coming out of his veins from every kingdom of the realm.

"Now my watch begins,It shall not end until my death. I am the sword in the darkness, The watcher on the wall, I am the fire that burn against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleeper, the shield that guards the realms of men"

Now I'm going to break those down and turn them to an oath that of a king swearing fealty to the realm. Now my reign begins, it shall not end until my death (that's self explanitor), I am the defender against injustice, the watcher to keep the realm safe, the life that burns against death, the life that brings hope, the horn that sounds the call, and the protector of the realms of men" He makes this pledge in front of the God's and soon after while he is praying to those same gods he burns the wright. He is burning his vows into his flesh. Blood magic the prayer, the vows and then the fire that spills his blood of the realms of men.

Now we are lead to believe that the Tourney from Harrenhal was a ploy set up by Rheagar to meet as many lords as possible to call a grand council to remove his father from power. Now we know that Rickon's maester is a hightower. A member of the Kingsguard is a hightower and the citadel is no longer serving the realm but its serving itself. So let's say that this maester let's it slip and word gets back to Gerold Hightower. He knows how Aerys would deal with Ned, Robert, Lyanna, Rickon, Jon and Benjen expecitally with at this point Tywin is still hand. Total annihaliation of all of their houses. Dead fathers and sons lead no future rebellions. So he goes to the Prince and he calls the Tourney. He wants to take measure of Ned, Brandon and Lyanna. Notice the Tully's don't seem to be at the Tourney. I do believe that Rheagar found Lyanna attractive and he's been studing this problem about the PTWP. At the time of the Tourney he has no heirs and his wife is fraile. Plus she doesn't have all of the blood connections that Lyanna could bring to their child(probably not thinking all of that but at least some of it.)Yet him laying the crown of love and beauty was two parts. The first part was to show that he fancied her. The next part was to let Robert and company that he knows about the plot that they are cooking up. Which after he learns that his wife can't have anymore children. This only prompts him to look at the northern girl again. He's probably been thinking about the problem the entire time that he's back at the red keep waiting for Aegon to be born. So anyways he finds out that his wife can't have anymore children and that Aegon isn't even his. He takes the sign that the coment brought as it's a sign that he must get to Lyanna.

Now remember when I told you about the laws and Ellinor Aquitanie. That's what happen to remove a threat to his families legacy and to try and forfill the phopecy he takes Lyanna. So there you have it. That is what i think is behind the whole was about. The citadel was trying to play with the prophecy. Mawyn told sam that he knew about the prophecy. It's because of him and his meddling when he sent his son to Winterfell that the whole war happened. It's perfect.

Then look at this if you break down the Valyrians that's in jon's blood, then through the Martells there would be Nymeria's people who had kings blood. The Valyrians who ruled most of the east would have blood ties to other kings blood in the east. Like Volantis which wasn't always part of the free hold. Then there is the empire of Ghias. Then the Andals who migrated into Westeros. So through the Arryans he would be related to the past king line of the Andals. Oh my god. I did it. I did it. I only hope I'm right. All of the free cities have Valyrian blood even if they don't have the looks their blood is in the nobility by common ancestors. That would encampass all of westeros and Essos that jon would have a connection to through blood. Even if the tie is long lost it's still a part of his make up. The blood remembers and that's what the connections come in.

[Jon's Queen Consort]

@lmgross25, I am confused. What do you mean?

[lmgross25]

what I am getting at is that jon has the blood of kings from every nation running through his veins. That when Lyanna and Rheagar made a child their child has the bloodlines of every single royal house in westeros and blood connections to the rest of essos. There isn't a single character that has that besides Jon if L+R=J is true. Jon is the true encampass of a song of fire and ice. It's all in his veins.Kings blood from every nation and people. You could say that Jon is the stallion that mounts the world because of all the different bloodlines in his vein. His blood is the blood of the world so his blood brings together all the nations together in his veins. That's I'm saying that it's the bloodlines and that make the prophecy.

[Jon's Queen Consort]

@lmgross25. That is what I thought too and I agree.

[lmgross25]

even before my post or is that the meaning u took from my post.? was it a good theory?

[Jon's Queen Consort]

even before my post or is that the meaning u took from my post.? was it a good theory?

Yes that is what I thought when I read your post the first time. I wanted to be sure that I was right. I think that is a very good theory.

[Panther2000]

You nailed my theory right on the noggin!!!!

But I see it a bit different in that they didn't "kill" their mother. I see it as their mothers literally sacrificed their lives for them, making them special.

I totally agree with you, a Sacrifice for their children. I still think that Tyrion as a stretch. However, there has been talk about how Tyrion may not be a Tywin's son at all. Twyin did say when they were talking after Joffrey was sent to take a nap with milk of the poppi. He stated to tyrion that he can't prove that tyrion isn't is son, so he did not throw him in the river. Now why would he say that, Mrs. L must have been stepping out on him, otherwise why would he say something like that.

However, I can see George heading in that direction. 3 Outcast from family & society end up saving the world.

I do like the idea though of GRRM stating that he already has the ending & won't be changing it, even if us fans figure it out prior to the next 2 books. That is a Plus

[The Others Take Ya]

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Brilliant! Great work!

[bofh000]

I enjoy all of the theories you guys posted, and some of them are really well explained and seem well backed by the story.

I think the part about one dragon being able to have more than one rider was included for a reason, so yes, there will probably be a non-targ, more or less unpopular candidate to the dragon heads. I would say Victarion, mostly because I would like to see the dragon horn in action.

As for who will take his place ... I would like to say Arianne, as I see some badass potential in her. But I see her role developing more on the "homefront". Maybe becoming an ally of the young Griff ... Arya would be quite a cool option for a dragon rider - I can't remember if there was any targ blood in the Stark line, but even if there wasn't, she has warg powers, so that could be a good way to master a dragon. Also the Arya=dragon rider storyline would make a nice parallel to the 1st Targ invasion if the 3rd dragon head is Jon, Danny dies and Sansa takes her place. Haha, nooo, just kidding, I don't think anybody else but Danny would ride Drogon, at least not while Drogon is alive.

It would be quite a twist if both Danny and Drogon die at some point - maybe during the battle with the others? - then Jon with his super powers as a re-born warg + a Targarien brings Drogon back to life and rider the resulting ice dragon himself.

The 3rd rider ... not sure it has to be a rider for the 3rd dragon. why not just have one go free? :) If one of the original rider of the other 2 dragons dies and somebody else takes their place ... you have 3 riders ... just not one for each dragon :)

As for the J=R+L ... It's not a matter of belief anymore, GRR all but said it a few times already all along the saga. What I DON't think he will do is make it "public" in the book. I think he will keep hinting, alluding to it, easter-egging other characters' stories with it. But there won't be a moment when somebody tells Jon, or Danny or whoever else that you know that bastard boy of the late Lord Eddard Stark? turns out he is a bastard, just not Ned's, he is a royal bastard ... we will never see that happen. We have already seen GRR's masterful storytelling in other occassions, when he slipped details into a character's story when you thought sooner or later they will see or find out what the reader knows ... and they don't. The whole "Pansy" bit in Catelin's story, while she was taking care of the dying Lord Tully. We know what the old man is mumbling about and we keep expecting for Cat to find out or guess somehow. But she doesn't. That is how good writing is done :)

Anywhooo, I've streched this message a lot more than I intended.
Just want to wish you guys a very good year next year. Spend the holidays just they way you wish and be merry and bright. It definitely feels good to know there are other people out there who love this storry enough to spend hours reading these forums and writing about it.