Does anyone believe that King Stannis will make it towards the end of the story?

[KingStannisFan]

Does anyone believe he will survive until at least 'A Dream of Spring', and possibly at least close to the end of the story? or Lord of Light forbid.... actually win at the end? And do you have any evidence one way or the other?

[Gerey Targaryen]

I don't think he will. He'll probably defeat Ramsay and then die somewhere of something else. I don't see him on the Iron Throne.

[Stannis broatheon]

He will become AA and everyone from Essos to Westeros would bend the knee, even the others. After that he will kill Danny's 3 dragons, throwing them pebbles.

[The Drunkard]

I'd guess he makes into ADOS, then dies. I'm basing it on these four things, though obviously they can be taken in multiple ways.

 

1) Daenerys has a vision of him that implies they'll be enemies. Before she can reach westeros and be his enemy she'll (I imagine) be dealing with the Dothraki, the SB aftermath, the Volantene slave and religious revolts, Pentos and the Tattered Prince, etc, and after reaching westeros she'll likely be attacking Aegon before she does Stannis (nevermind her involvement with the ironborn). So, if Stannis is destined to fight her, he'll need to be alive until she arrives, which won't be for some time.

 

2) One reason GRRM scrapped the five-year gap is that he couldn't conceive a good way to stall certain plot lines, and the example he used was Jon and Stannis just chilling at the wall for five years. The implication being that his intention was for Stannis to survive until late in the story.

 

3) If the abomination wasn't completely wrong and Stannis is going to burn Shireen at some point the situation would have to be incredibly dire. Wall falling, dead rising, only-hope-left apocalyptic dire. That won't happen until late into TWOW or early into ADOS I expect.

 

4) Melisandre has seen visions of Stannis wielding his sword against the darkness. Probably not referring to anything that's happened yet.

[khal drogon]

I'd guess he makes into ADOS, then dies. I'm basing it on these four things, though obviously they can be taken in multiple ways.

 

1) Daenerys has a vision of him that implies they'll be enemies. Before she can reach westeros and be his enemy she'll (I imagine) be dealing with the Dothraki, the SB aftermath, the Volantene slave and religious revolts, Pentos and the Tattered Prince, etc, and after reaching westeros she'll likely be attacking Aegon before she does Stannis (nevermind her involvement with the ironborn). So, if Stannis is destined to fight her, he'll need to be alive until she arrives, which won't be for some time.

 

2) One reason GRRM scrapped the five-year gap is that he couldn't conceive a good way to stall certain plot lines, and the example he used was Jon and Stannis just chilling at the wall for five years. The implication being that his intention was for Stannis to survive until late in the story.

 

3) If the abomination wasn't completely wrong and Stannis is going to burn Shireen at some point the situation would have to be incredibly dire. Wall falling, dead rising, only-hope-left apocalyptic dire. That won't happen until late into TWOW or early into ADOS I expect.

 

4) Melisandre has seen visions of Stannis wielding his sword against the darkness. Probably not referring to anything that's happened yet.

Seriously? You are believing Mel's visions?

[The Drunkard]

Seriously? You are believing Mel's visions?

Her visions are accurate, she just (occasionally) interprets their meaning incorrectly. In this case I expect that she accurately saw Stannis fighting the darkness (not unlikely, given his location and intentions) and misinterpreted it to be evidence of him as Azor Ahai. Instead he's just a dude fighting the darkness, but while her extrapolation was wrong what she saw was true.

[Grail King]

He Killed his brother, and he burns people alive pay back for him is going be a bitch.

[Darkstream]

I like your reasoning. :thumbsup: Gives me more optimism that Stannis will be around for a while longer.

 

3) If the abomination wasn't completely wrong...

:lmao:

[Rickyhunt]

I think he will die in the winds of winter.

[Rider on the Storm]

Mmm nope...I'm pretty sure he's gonna die, but hopefully not before doing something great. I hope GRRM gives him a proper death, not like D&D...

[Scootaloo Stark]

He'll do lots of interesting stuff in TWOW, especilly at the Wall. I'd guess he makes it through the book. But somewhere in ADOS he will die (probably. 85% chance). Whatever happens, he won't sit on the throne.

[King of the Narrow Sea]

I'd guess he makes into ADOS, then dies. I'm basing it on these four things, though obviously they can be taken in multiple ways.

 

1) Daenerys has a vision of him that implies they'll be enemies. Before she can reach westeros and be his enemy she'll (I imagine) be dealing with the Dothraki, the SB aftermath, the Volantene slave and religious revolts, Pentos and the Tattered Prince, etc, and after reaching westeros she'll likely be attacking Aegon before she does Stannis (nevermind her involvement with the ironborn). So, if Stannis is destined to fight her, he'll need to be alive until she arrives, which won't be for some time.

 

2) One reason GRRM scrapped the five-year gap is that he couldn't conceive a good way to stall certain plot lines, and the example he used was Jon and Stannis just chilling at the wall for five years. The implication being that his intention was for Stannis to survive until late in the story.

 

3) If the abomination wasn't completely wrong and Stannis is going to burn Shireen at some point the situation would have to be incredibly dire. Wall falling, dead rising, only-hope-left apocalyptic dire. That won't happen until late into TWOW or early into ADOS I expect.

 

4) Melisandre has seen visions of Stannis wielding his sword against the darkness. Probably not referring to anything that's happened yet.

 

Are you serious? GRRM couldn't figure out a way to take Stannis' 1500 knights, and 3500 trained men at arms, and put them to some use at the Wall? How about training the Night's Watch to know what end of the sword to hold for starters lol.

 

4's a good point actually. Mel had a vision of Stannis leading the battle against the Others which is what made her convinced that he's Azor Ahai.

 

 

"It is night in your Seven Kingdoms now," the red woman went on, "but soon the sun will rise again. The war continues, Davos Seaworth, and some will soon learn that even an ember in the ashes can still ignite a great blaze. The old maester looked at Stannis and saw only a man. You see a king. You are both wrong. He is the Lord's chosen, the warrior of fire. I have seen him leading the fight against the dark, I have seen it in the flames. The flames do not lie, else you would not be here. It is written in prophecy as well. When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons out of stone. The bleeding star has come and gone, and Dragonstone is the place of smoke and salt. Stannis Baratheon is Azor Ahai reborn!" Her red eyes blazed like twin fires, and seemed to stare deep into his soul. "You do not believe me. You doubt the truth of R'hllor even now . . . yet have served him all the same, and will serve him again. I shall leave you here to think on all that I have told you. And because R'hllor is the source of all good, I shall leave the torch as well."

 

So assuming this vision was real, then Stannis has to live until at least the very first battle for him to ever fulfill Mel's vision of him leading the fight against the dark.

[King of the Narrow Sea]

He Killed his brother, and he burns people alive pay back for him is going be a bitch.

 

There's nothing to pay him back for. Renly committed treason by declaring himself king knowing full well that Stannis was Robert's heir and not himself, and Stannis has never burnt a man who hadn't first committed a crime with which the sentence was already death.

 

Stannis cannot require pay back as he hasn't done anything legally wrong yet. You might not agree with his methods of execution, but Renly and the people he burns all committed crimes where the punishment is death. He just enacted that punishment through shadow baby and through burning.

[Universal Sword Donor]

 

There's nothing to pay him back for. Renly committed treason by declaring himself king knowing full well that Stannis was Robert's heir and not himself, and Stannis has never burnt a man who hadn't first committed a crime with which the sentence was already death.

 

Stannis cannot require pay back as he hasn't done anything legally wrong yet. You might not agree with his methods of execution, but Renly and the people he burns all committed crimes where the punishment is death. He just enacted that punishment through shadow baby and through burning.

 

Renly declared himself king well before Stannis made his knowledge of incest public and staked him claim to the throne, and that was after he tried to get Ned to seize the children to separate them from Cersei and ensure he stayed Hand and Regent. You can call Renly a usurper if you want -- he admits as much to Cat -- but he's either jumping one place in line or 4 places in line. It's a death sentence from the crown no matter how many "treasons" he commits. 

 

 

Are you serious? GRRM couldn't figure out a way to take Stannis' 1500 knights, and 3500 trained men at arms, and put them to some use at the Wall? How about training the Night's Watch to know what end of the sword to hold for starters lol.

 

4's a good point actually. Mel had a vision of Stannis leading the battle against the Others which is what made her convinced that he's Azor Ahai.

 

 

So assuming this vision was real, then Stannis has to live until at least the very first battle for him to ever fulfill Mel's vision of him leading the fight against the dark.

 

Stannis only has 1500 men or so, according to Davos, when he comes North. 

[Scorpion92]

 
There's nothing to pay him back for. Renly committed treason by declaring himself king knowing full well that Stannis was Robert's heir and not himself, and Stannis has never burnt a man who hadn't first committed a crime with which the sentence was already death.
 
Stannis cannot require pay back as he hasn't done anything legally wrong yet. You might not agree with his methods of execution, but Renly and the people he burns all committed crimes where the punishment is death. He just enacted that punishment through shadow baby and through burning.

Wow,what an inspiring king who kills his brother with dark magic and burns the people alive. No wonder even 10 year old kid does not want to bend the knee to him. I just feel sorry for him.

There is a reason no one likes him and majority supported Renly's claim. I hope Dany burns him alive with dragonfire like his burning stag foreshadows.

[Bobby b's bobby]

He Killed his brother, and he burns people alive pay back for him is going be a bitch.

Wasn't getting his arsekicked at the bw karma for renly?

[The Drunkard]

So many threads available to talk about Renly, don't derail this within the first page you easily baited people.

 

Are you serious? GRRM couldn't figure out a way to take Stannis' 1500 knights, and 3500 trained men at arms, and put them to some use at the Wall? How about training the Night's Watch to know what end of the sword to hold for starters lol.

I think the biggest problem with having them wait for years at the wall would be Roose. There's nothing to stop him from marching on the indefensible NW castles and overwhelming Stannis if Stan chooses to wait there indefinitely. Also Stannis would be aware of that and therefore unlikely to let it happen, thus we get what we got.

[King of the Narrow Sea]

 

Renly declared himself king well before Stannis made his knowledge of incest public and staked him claim to the throne, and that was after he tried to get Ned to seize the children to separate them from Cersei and ensure he stayed Hand and Regent. You can call Renly a usurper if you want -- he admits as much to Cat -- but he's either jumping one place in line or 4 places in line. It's a death sentence from the crown no matter how many "treasons" he commits.

 

Exactly. And the rightful king, Stannis, happened to give him the death sentence for his crime.

 

 

Stannis only has 1500 men or so, according to Davos, when he comes North.

 

Davos says that Stannis had 1500 men left on Dragonstone after the Battle of the Blackwater

 

 

Ser Axell proposed to use Salladhor Saan's fleet and the men who had escaped the Blackwater—Stannis still had some fifteen hundred on Dragonstone, more than half of them Florents—to exact retribution for Lord Celtigar's defection.

 

Not that he only had 1500 men.

 

And Stannis says in TWOW that when he fought Mance Rayder at the Wall

 

 

I smashed Mance Rayder at the Wall, though he had twenty times my numbers.

 

That he was outnumbered 20:1. Mance Rayder had 100,000 wildlings. 100,000/20 = 5,000

 

Wow,what an inspiring king who kills his brother with dark magic and burns the people alive. No wonder even 10 year old kid does not want to bend the knee to him. I just feel sorry for him.

There is a reason no one likes him and majority supported Renly's claim. I hope Dany burns him alive with dragonfire like his burning stag foreshadows.

 

None of that has anything to do with whether Stannis did anything requiring pay back. Enforcing death sentences to criminals is not committing any crime. The people Stannis killed were criminals.

 

And you're wrong about no one liking Stannis.

 

 

More and more men were pouring from the trees, not only knights now but freeriders and mounted bowmen and men-at-arms in jacks and kettle helms, dozens of men, hundreds of men. A blaze of banners flew above them. The wind was whipping them too wildly for Jon to see the sigils, but he glimpsed a seahorse, a field of birds, a ring of flowers. And yellow, so much yellow, yellow banners with a red device, whose arms were those?

East and north and northeast, he saw bands of wildlings trying to stand and fight, but the attackers rode right over them. The free folk still had the numbers, but the attackers had steel armor and heavy horses. In the thickest part of the fray, Jon saw Mance standing tall in his stirrups. His red-and-black cloak and raven-winged helm made him easy to pick out. He had his sword raised and men were rallying to him when a wedge of knights smashed into them with lance and sword and longaxe. Mance's mare went up on her hind legs, kicking, and a spear took her through the breast. Then the steel tide washed over him.

It's done, Jon thought, they're breaking. The wildlings were running, throwing down their weapons, Hornfoot men and cave dwellers and Thenns in bronze scales, they were running. Mance was gone, someone was waving Harma's head on a pole, Tormund's lines had broken. Only the giants on their mammoths were holding, hairy islands in a red steel sea. The fires were leaping from tent to tent and some of the tall pines were going up as well. And through the smoke another wedge of armored riders came, on barded horses. Floating above them were the largest banners yet, royal standards as big as sheets; a yellow one with long pointed tongues that showed a flaming heart, and another like a sheet of beaten gold, with a black stag prancing and rippling in the wind.

Robert, Jon thought for one mad moment, remembering poor Owen, but when the trumpets blew again and the knights charged, the name they cried was "Stannis! Stannis! STANNIS!"

 

Whatever doubts his lords might nurse, the common men seemed to have faith in their king. Stannis had smashed Mance Rayder's wildlings at the Wall and cleaned Asha and her ironborn out of Deepwood Motte; he was Robert's brother, victor in a famous sea battle off Fair Isle, the man who had held Storm's End all through Robert's Rebellion. And he bore a hero's sword, the enchanted blade Lightbringer, whose glow lit up the night.

[Orphalesion]

There is no "King" Stannis. The only Stannis Baratheon in the story is a rebel and usurper (and not even a cool rebel at that).

 

To answer your question; who knows. I don't see much point to Stannis anymore and I could very well believe that the whole point of his arc (aside from being the antagonist of SoS) was to bring Mel to the wall and send Davos after Rickon.He ain't gonna be AA, he  ain't gonna be king at the end, but maybe he's still gonna do...something.

 

 

 

There's nothing to pay him back for. Renly committed treason by declaring himself king knowing full well that Stannis was Robert's heir and not himself, and Stannis has never burnt a man who hadn't first committed a crime with which the sentence was already death.

 

Stannis cannot require pay back as he hasn't done anything legally wrong yet. You might not agree with his methods of execution, but Renly and the people he burns all committed crimes where the punishment is death. He just enacted that punishment through shadow baby and through burning.

 

Well and Stannis committed treason against his nephew so he should be torched as well. By law Joffrey was Robert's son and the rightful king. Not everybody in universe believes that Joffrey, Tommen and Myrcella are the product of incest  and when it comes down to it "they are blonde!" is a rather flimsy bit of evidence, considering RObert had a Targaryen grandmother who could have supplied recessive genes. Not that the Westerosi really would know what a gene is...

 

Also the crimes he burnt those people for was *gasp* not supporting his rebellion and/or defending a Sept against being desecrated.

 

Renly did commit treason against King Joffrey, but  the people Stannis burnt did not commit treason, in fact they tried to avoid committing treason.

 

Until somebody brings up some convincing evidence (basically an impossibility) or gets either Cersei or Jaime to confess (very, very unlikely, though Jaime might do it if all the children die) Tommen is the rightful current king of the Baratheon dynasty.    

[The Fresh PtwP]

The Iron Bank is backing him now I'm expecting alot of his enemies are about to get the Pate treatment.

Yeah, Stannis will make it to Dream.