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    The Long Night Casts Two Leads

    I'm very unenthusiastic about the Long Night. Imho, this along with a story set in pre-Fall Valyria has waaaaaay too little to do with the Book storyline to be really interesting. Either it would have to be so different that you gotta ask why this is even related to GoT or (and that's the way it unfortunately looks) it will be so similar that you gotta wonder what people even did in the thousands of years between this and the main story. Though tbh I'm also kinda worried that this will basically be Vikings set in the Song of Ice and Fire universe and I'm not that interested in watching yet another smelly, growly, uber-macho culture. I'm not a fan of Valyria, but I'd take Valyria over the North. That being said Vikings is actually a good example of how a socialite might still exist in primitive society. Socially speaking Viking-era Scandinavia still resembled a Bronze age culture and even there you have socially minded, powerful and ambitious women like Aslaug and Siggy (god that was a stupid name for a Viking woman) that could be likened to socialites. And even so, remember that the Minoan civilization and early Egypt were Bronze Age cultures, and had a high level of sophistication. So yes it's possible that a the wife/favored concubine of a chieftain or petty king in a prosperous part of Westeros would live in relative luxury and high society. Even if those luxuries should, realistically, consist of a couple of ornamental armlets, a shadowcat pelt and a white linen robe.
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    Do Targaryen names mean anything in Valyrian?

    So what does the name Jon mean in the ASOIaF universe? Remember on Planetos there exists no language called Hebrew, so it can't be a corruption of Yehohanan and the 2-3 in-between languages needed in order to transform Yehoanan into Jon don't exist either. Likewise the meaning of "Yahweh is Gracious" would be nonsensical on Planetos, since there is no religion dedicated to the Abarahamic God in existence there. Following the same thought process, there is no Latin, Old French or US American spelling variations of French names in Westeros in order to produce Margaret and then transform it into Marjorie and finally Margaery. So it can't mean pearl in Westeros. And there's no Germanic languages either that could provide Robert with it's real-world meaning of "bright fame". So please, enlighten us, what do Jon, Margaery or Robert mean in Westerosi or the Old Tongue "if you go back far enough"? And what is the meaning of completely made up names like Loras or ? Unlike Tolkien, GRRM just doesn't provide a meaning for the vast majority of the names, nor any dictionaries for the source languages those names must be derived from. Mostly because the language of the people in Westeros and Essos idn't a focus in the story, unlike Middle Earth that arose mostly so that Tolkien could have a world for his languages. So until GRRM provides meanings, every name in ASOIAF is just a name without meaning that quite often resembles a real world name.
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    Little Questions That Don't Fit Anywhere Else Part 3

    Yeah I know we didn't see her training, just wanted to point out that oversight. And well, I don't think the bulk of 12 year olds, boy or girl, are the "fighting kind" either and it didn't sound like they'd get a choice....
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    The execution of Janos Slynt was personal and it was not justice.

    *Comes back after months of absence, because there was nothing to talk about* Hey everybody so what are ya.... *Sees yet another "Jon Snuuu is EBILLLLL!!!!!!!" thread* ....never mind. See you when Season 8 of GoT hits. *Leaves again*
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    Secret Targ - possibly crackpot

    You also gonna ask that in the next thread that's proposing an alternate parentage for Dany (i.e. anything but her actual parents, Aerys II and Rhaella Targaryen) or an alternate parentage for Jon (again, anything but his actual parents, Rhaegar and Lyanna)? Or the next thread that proposes Daario is Euron is Mance Rayder is Rhaegar is Quaithe? Because this joke thread is a lot more entertaining than those joke threads.
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    Details on Prequel Pilot Revealed

    Ugh.... Personally I'm really worried that it will take all the myths like a first hand account that is 100% true (so no ambiguity about what is real or exaggerated) and show a Planetos were ridiculously little has changed (like perhaps Winterfel looking just like it did on the current series and things like that)
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    Incest Deficiencies, or lack thereof

    First of all I wasn't the one who brought up the issue, that was the person whom I quoted, so I'm not sure why you are lecturing me about it. And something doesn't have to be constantly condemned, nor do the victims have to be blamed to be portrayed in a negative light. Gilly doesn't have to be called an abomination and Ned doesn't have to call for the heads of Cersei's children. Ned has a lot of compassion and he still is haunted by the dead Targaryen children, so of course his first impulse would be to ensure the safety of Joffrey, Tommen and Myrcella. And he still isn't "Oh yay! Incest! Good for you!" he just understands that condemning them now won't help anybody or undo the mess they have created. I can't remember him condemning them for high treason either, he just wants those kids to get somewhere safe. But I'm sure you noticed that within the narrative both the relationship Craster has to his daughter, nor the relationship Cersei and Jaime is portrayed as anything but horrible and wrong for the weaker party involved. Craster rapes his daughters and takes away their children, while Cersei and Jaime feed each others' worst impulses. Same with Gilly, Stannis (who's opinions don't count anyway) aside, nobody condemns her because she's the victim, but the perpetrator, Craster, is consistently portrayed in a negative light and seen as creepy and undesirable by pretty much everyone. So yes, incest does get condemned. And the thing about incest taboos in our world being "about superstition and nonsense" is completely wrong. You are doing our ancestors a great disservice by acting like they were too stupid to recognize that "laying with your sister" leads to a higher possibilities of unhealthy children. They were not morons only because they didn't have genetic studies yet. The incest taboos come originally from a sensible and rational angle, it was just later married with a religious taboo because back then that was the easiest way to get people to do (or refrain form doing) something. Most of those religious taboos originally came from a reason that made sense for the time and the culture(s) involved, they didn't just sit around in a circle and thought of things to ban or condemn for the heck of it. Really, that's like saying ancient peoples could have never built Stonehenge/the Pyramids because they didn't have precision tools and machinery yet.
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    Incest Deficiencies, or lack thereof

    What? There are people who think GRRM is pro-incest? Do they somehow miss or willfully ignore how every example of Incestuous relationships is either portrayed as very, very psychologically messed up (or outright rape in cases like Craster and his daughter-wives) or having bad consequences (or both)?
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    Identity of Quaithe

    Nah He was too busy warging Edmure, Daario and a random pheasant at the time.
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    Identity of Quaithe

    I noticed you feel attacked quite easily and seem to think in absolutes. I'm not talking about people who quote passages complete passages for clarity (to follow up on the other post that upset you so much) or notice some symbols that are definitely there. I'm talking about the more far-out cases that really quote whole chapters or who insist that every single thing in there series is a symbol (Sansa did something at the hur of the Bat -> it's because of her Whent heritage!!!11!!!!, some random black alley cat was described as a black bastard ->It's warged by Bloodraven!!!!!) Look up the Old Varys is a Merman crackpot to understand the levels I'm talking about. But if you choose to feel attacked, despite it not being my intention, there's not really anything I can do about it. I would like to say that I'm sorry, but I am not, so that would be lying.
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    Identity of Quaithe

    Thank you! I wish I could like your post just for that. The fandom has taken those things to ridiculous levels. Sadly i don't get the reference, but in my defense I'm quite sleep deprived and will go to bed after this message. Silly me! Character with Q.... OMG, she was Quinn Morgendorffer from Daria????
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    Things you found oddly amusing

    I can only say again that I laughed out loud when the training method of the Unsullied was described. Such ridiculous, over-the-top villainy And I found a lot of what we saw of Ramsay very entertaining, he's just so happy about being a ridiculous cartoon bad guy.
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    The Three-Eyed-Crow is Old Nan, not Bloodraven

    So...another joke thread, only this time it makes up a ridiculous theory for comedic effect rather than turning a simple fact into a theory?
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    Secret Targ - possibly crackpot

    ^What he said. Also; is this even a theory if it doesn't quote entire chapters et verbatim, highlighting random words using HTML colours?
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    Identity of Quaithe

    Quaithe is the mother and daughter of Mellisandre. No but seriously, I'd say Quaithe of Asshai is Quaithe of Asshai and nobody else.