Crazydog7 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 The big question I have from the sample chapters is why if Cosca is increasingly being regarded as a man way past his prime even by guys that are supposed to be his allies why do Friendly and Temple stick around? This is obviously at least at first probably because they have no where else to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axiomatic Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Alright, I freely admit to having read not a word of this thread - I just need to know one thing before deciding whether or not to read this book; Is this another instance of Asshole Gandalf Wins Everything, like the original trilogy and The Heroes, or is it more like Best Served Cold where the forces of Asshole Gandalf actually don't win for a change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 unless this is a total turd of ADWD proportions i'm of the opinion that the series is now better than ASOIAF overall.Oh, no doubt. But then I thought that after The Heroes.This isn't quite as good as The Heroes imo, but it's a close second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Have people already gotten their hands on this book? (minus the reviewers, of course)On Amazon the release date is Nov. 13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Cicero Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Have people already gotten their hands on this book? (minus the reviewers, of course)On Amazon the release date is Nov. 13.UK release is today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raving Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Other people on here thought that ADWD was a steaming pile of shite too?Wow...I am pleased. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazydog7 Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Hey Raving just because we and loved the first three doesn't make us blind. I've heard people comparing Mr. Abercrombie to David Gemmel and that really isn't fair to either one. Gemmell was about telling the epic stories that many times followed a timeline that lastest thousands of years and your Hero weather you called him Druss or Waylander never got much in the way of charecter development. It wasn't until the later books like Hero in the Shadows or Ravenheart that the charecters were able to identified as individuals and not just a troup. Gemmell did this really well in Lord of the Silver Bow it is just sad and unfair that the trilogy was his book because he was really on fire. Both authors operate along similar ideas bad people trying to die the right thing when it would just be easier to do the bad thing Abercrombie is just better at building the individual charecters and making you want to be in a position where you could share a drink with Nine Fingers, Harding Grim, Three Trees, Flood, Red Beck or even Nicomo Cosca the only problem that I have always had with Abercrombie's writting although to be fair it is mostly a problem with Last Argument of Kings it seems that sometimes charecters behave in a certain way because the plot requires them to so they start behaving in a way contrary to the established pattern of events in this book character X does Y but we just spent two books establishing that he wouldn’t do X. I’m just glad I started with Before they were Hanged because The Blade itself would have burned me out quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveboof Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Alright, I freely admit to having read not a word of this thread - I just need to know one thing before deciding whether or not to read this book; Is this another instance of Asshole Gandalf Wins Everything, like the original trilogy and The Heroes, or is it more like Best Served Cold where the forces of Asshole Gandalf actually don't win for a change?You probably want the spoiler thread, not this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurble Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 My brilliant plan to buy an e-book copy from Amazon.co.uk using a free UK-based VPN was foiled by the fact that the VPN server apparently doesn't let through https:// connections, or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harding Grim Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 the only problem that I have always had with Abercrombie's writting although to be fair it is mostly a problem with Last Argument of Kings it seems that sometimes charecters behave in a certain way because the plot requires them to so they start behaving in a way contrary to the established pattern of events in this book character X does Y but we just spent two books establishing that he wouldn’t do X. I’m just glad I started with Before they were Hanged because The Blade itself would have burned me out quick.If you didn't read The Blade Itself, then you don't have an argument for the point you've made above as you wouldn't know if they had a set agenda to determine any behavioral patterns, let alone the fact that it is very hard to substantiate any character from Abercrombie that follows what you have stated. The three cental POV characters, Logen, Jezal and Glokta follow literally no set path or structure that would suggest they would behave in a certain way to establish anything, all three are taken on journeys above themselves making it hard for them to determine anything in a concrete way.What characters are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 I'm thoroughly enjoying the book. Certainly, it's as good as ADWD (and I mean that as a compliment). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The hairy bear Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 The big question I have from the sample chapters is why if Cosca is increasingly being regarded as a man way past his prime even by guys that are supposed to be his allies why do Friendly and Temple stick around? Cosca is 59 years old, at the time of A Red Country. I think it's normal that people consider him past his prime while still respecting him as captain general. He makes them win lots of money with the minimum risk, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 25% of the way through. very much enjoying it despite the fact there has had to be a bit of 'suspension of disbelief' with regards to how many past characters are in such close proximity to each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 I have missed this question along the way, but what is the timing of this book?Pretty soon after The Heroes? Pretty long?For that matter, can anyone refresh me about how far into Jezal's reign we are with each of the stories? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 I think BSC is 4 years into Jezal's reign, Heroes is 7 years, and A Red Country is 13 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 I think BSC is 4 years into Jezal's reign, Heroes is 7 years, and A Red Country is 13 years.Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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