A Ghost of Someone Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 If she does lose her virginity in the books and wants to make another advantageous marriage, I suppose Sansa could pull a Margaery and claim her hymen was broken riding horses. The marriage to the Imp is the obstacle, if she has sex before that is annulled, then to the world, Tyrion and her did consummate the marriage. That is the problem. She needs Tyrion to die (is not gonna happen, GRRM loves him), so regime change in King's Landing, remove the Kingslayer attainder against her, apply to the High Sparrow for annulment, Septas physical exam (show Septas are almost as scary as Ramsay) and she is good to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newstar Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 The marriage to the Imp is the obstacle, if she has sex before that is annulled, then to the world, Tyrion and her did consummate the marriage. That is the problem. She needs Tyrion to die (is not gonna happen, GRRM loves him), so regime change in King's Landing, remove the Kingslayer attainder against her, apply to the High Sparrow for annulment, Septas physical exam (show Septas are almost as scary as Ramsay) and she is good to go. The funny thing is that GRRM seems to be trying to get the readers to forget about the annulment, even though it was mentioned in ASOS (Tywin warning Tyrion that an unconsummated marriage could be annulled). First, Littlefinger says that Sansa needs to be widowed before any action can happen on the Harry marriage front. Secondly, Sansa in TWOW thinks that she can't remarry as long as Tyrion lives. I'm guessing it's to surprise the readers when the marriage does end by annulment, although granted I'm having some trouble seeing how that can happen anytime soon unless a regime invested in Sansa's innocence and freedom to marry is installed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ghost of Someone Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 The funny thing is that GRRM seems to be trying to get the readers to forget about the annulment, even though it was mentioned in ASOS (Tywin warning Tyrion that an unconsummated marriage could be annulled). First, Littlefinger says that Sansa needs to be widowed before any action can happen on the Harry marriage front. Secondly, Sansa in TWOW thinks that she can't remarry as long as Tyrion lives. I'm guessing it's to surprise the readers when the marriage does end by annulment, although granted I'm having some trouble seeing how that can happen anytime soon unless a regime invested in Sansa's innocence and freedom to marry is installed. I think LF tells her what he wants her to know and keeps from her what he does not. If she thought no consummation, she could, although seems silly, could approach a Septa or Septon and ask questions, still posing as Allayne but the Tyrion's living situation kind of keeps her under LF's control a little bit more. She in the books is still a maid of 13 years old afterall. That is where I think it ties in. Now, D&D and Cogman know from GRRM where He is taking the story (Sansa's personal story too) towards the end and due to contraints by the show, they omitted Aegon and his whole angle. Sansa has been taken way, way of course. She is really the only one. I do not think that is by coincedence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newstar Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 That is where I think it ties in. Now, D&D and Cogman know from GRRM where He is taking the story (Sansa's personal story too) towards the end and due to contraints by the show, they omitted Aegon and his whole angle. Sansa has been taken way, way of course. She is really the only one. I do not think that is by coincedence. I dunno. I think the writers will get Sansa wherever she is in the books by ignoring what seem to be necessary changes due to TV deviations, just the same way that warm, sympathetic TV Shae who loved Sansa and Tyrion more than anything turned into a vengeful, hateful bitch determined to bring both of them down, because that's what the essential storyline beats from the books required of her. If Book Sansa eventually needs to make an advantageous political marriage to someone who would normally require her to be a virgin, and this marriage needs to make it into the show because it's extremely important or her endgame or what have you, I imagine that the TV husband will not care about her virginity in the slightest because he's so in love or whatever. If her endgame is to be Mrs. Hound, despite the fact that she's given no indication of even remembering him over the past three seasons, the TV writers would just hastily write in some last-minute stuff with her giving some sort of speech expositing all the feelings she's supposedly been having and have her fall into his arms with a "I've never stopped thinking about you!" And so on. ...With all that said about the show ignoring TV changes to get back on track with the books when needed, the show has convinced me that endgame queen Sansa--and I mean queen of anything--is not happening. I just don't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ghost of Someone Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 I dunno. I think the writers will get Sansa wherever she is in the books by ignoring what seem to be necessary changes due to TV deviations, just the same way that warm, sympathetic TV Shae who loved Sansa and Tyrion more than anything turned into a vengeful, hateful bitch determined to bring both of them down, because that's what the essential storyline beats from the books required of her. If Book Sansa eventually needs to make an advantageous political marriage to someone who would normally require her to be a virgin, and this marriage needs to make it into the show because it's extremely important or her endgame or what have you, I imagine that the TV husband will not care about her virginity in the slightest because he's so in love or whatever. If her endgame is to be Mrs. Hound, despite the fact that she's given no indication of even remembering him over the past three seasons, the TV writers would just hastily write in some last-minute stuff with her giving some sort of speech expositing all the feelings she's supposedly been having and have her fall into his arms with a "I've never stopped thinking about you!" And so on. ...With all that said about the show ignoring TV changes to get back on track with the books when needed, the show has convinced me that endgame queen Sansa--and I mean queen of anything--is not happening. I just don't see it. Did you read the Allayne Sample Chapter? I started liking Lord Robin Arryn a whole lot more. She could "make him hers" over time and he seems to be the only one that actually cares about her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Green Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 If Book Sansa eventually needs to make an advantageous political marriage to someone who would normally require her to be a virgin, and this marriage needs to make it into the show because it's extremely important or her endgame or what have you, I imagine that the TV husband will not care about her virginity in the slightest because he's so in love or whatever.The show has already done that with Margaery, who walked around carrying a "virgin? LOL!" sign and nobody cared.That said, Sansa in the show, if she married again, would be doing so as a widow. There's obviously no expectation that a widow be a virgin.All that said, I think the changes to the Vale story have pretty much removed the need for any other political marriages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosehustle1 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 I dunno. I think the writers will get Sansa wherever she is in the books by ignoring what seem to be necessary changes due to TV deviations, just the same way that warm, sympathetic TV Shae who loved Sansa and Tyrion more than anything turned into a vengeful, hateful bitch determined to bring both of them down, because that's what the essential storyline beats from the books required of her. If Book Sansa eventually needs to make an advantageous political marriage to someone who would normally require her to be a virgin, and this marriage needs to make it into the show because it's extremely important or her endgame or what have you, I imagine that the TV husband will not care about her virginity in the slightest because he's so in love or whatever. If her endgame is to be Mrs. Hound, despite the fact that she's given no indication of even remembering him over the past three seasons, the TV writers would just hastily write in some last-minute stuff with her giving some sort of speech expositing all the feelings she's supposedly been having and have her fall into his arms with a "I've never stopped thinking about you!" And so on. ...With all that said about the show ignoring TV changes to get back on track with the books when needed, the show has convinced me that endgame queen Sansa--and I mean queen of anything--is not happening. I just don't see it. I think this is my biggest gripe with the show. They make these changes but then try to also keep a book element that contradicts the change that was made. For example, Arya not giving The Hound the gift of mercy last season. This is what she does in the books but in the context of the show it didn't really make sense. The whole season they were road buddies and she even showed empathy toward him when he talked about his brother. Then in their last meeting she is suddenly merciless and looking at him with dead eyes? Another example is Sansa as Jeyne as Sansa. Sometimes she was trying to be coy or sassy then suddenly she's a terrified victim then she's pleading for help then she's resigned to death. I felt that she was literally both characters depending on the plot they wanted to tell for a given episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ghost of Someone Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 I think this is my biggest gripe with the show. They make these changes but then try to also keep a book element that contradicts the change that was made. For example, Arya not giving The Hound the gift of mercy last season. This is what she does in the books but in the context of the show it didn't really make sense. The whole season they were road buddies and she even showed empathy toward him when he talked about his brother. Then in their last meeting she is suddenly merciless and looking at him with dead eyes? Another example is Sansa as Jeyne as Sansa. Sometimes she was trying to be coy or sassy then suddenly she's a terrified victim then she's pleading for help then she's resigned to death. I felt that she was literally both characters depending on the plot they wanted to tell for a given episode. Yeah, the show writers tried to have it both ways with Sansa and Jeyne switheroo. It makes no sense because it was not Sansa's storyline to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldric Storm Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 People keep saying that Ramsey was supposed to marry Ramsey in the books but it was actually Arya that Ramsey was supposed to marry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ghost of Someone Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 People keep saying that Ramsey was supposed to marry Ramsey in the books but it was actually Arya that Ramsey was supposed to marry. What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion's Third Wife Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 People keep saying that Ramsey was supposed to marry Ramsey in the books but it was actually Arya that Ramsey was supposed to marry. What? Ramsey to Ramsay is the Caitlyn to Bruce, I think. Come on, it makes sense, who could be more sexy to himself than himself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Campbell Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 So will they reveal that J + L = Ramsey next season, or will they make us wait until the last season for the big reveal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ghost of Someone Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 So will they reveal that J + L = Ramsey next season, or will they make us wait until the last season for the big reveal? Given the casting rumors for season 6, it appears Sansa will be on her quest to find Rickon and there are several Northern Lords being cast. The Bastard of Bolton will die in season 6 and a Direwolf will fly over Winterfell again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pies are coming Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Given the casting rumors for season 6, it appears Sansa will be on her quest to find Rickon and there are several Northern Lords being cast. The Bastard of Bolton will die in season 6 and a Direwolf will fly over Winterfell again. Or Sansa died and the Northern Lords feel manspain about loosing another Stark while they were partying with Gendry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alayne's Shadow. Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Or Sansa died and the Northern Lords feel manspain about loosing another Stark while they were partying with Gendry The director has confirmed Sansa and Theon survived the jump. I think Sansa will send Davos to find Rickon and will embark on a mission to take the Vale from LF. Everyone returns to their book plots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ghost of Someone Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Or Sansa died and the Northern Lords feel manspain about loosing another Stark while they were partying with Gendry Allayne beat me to it, yep, they both survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ghost of Someone Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 The director has confirmed Sansa and Theon survived the jump. I think Sansa will send Davos to find Rickon and will embark on a mission to take the Vale from LF. Everyone returns to their book plots. I would like this, Her show character, if the writers want to salvage any credibility, need to have Sansa develope a very enraged temperment toward Littlefinger and want some payback. He pimped her and it would seem her show character now knows that without a doubt. She trusted him and has suffered far worse than she ever did in King's Landing because of it. No honey dripping words from him and make up for what she has been put through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosehustle1 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 I don't understand why they didn't cast these characters for the fifth season? What was the point of having no Northern lords at all then to just have them magically appear a season later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ghost of Someone Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 I don't understand why they didn't cast these characters for the fifth season? What was the point of having no Northern lords at all then to just have them magically appear a season later. Maybe it came to budget and time. They got rid of Stannis but kept Mel and Davos who were not on campaign with Stannis in the books. So he is out at the end of season 5 so we can bring in The Northern boys. The Vale and Riverlands are in play for next year too. So, I take it as to make room for them, season 6 will have no Others and White Walkers, no Wildings and no Porne/Dorne. maybe get Arya out ot Braavos and go to Oldtown with Sam on assignment to infiltrate the Citidel or something to combine things but rest assured, we will get more of Dany and Tyrion than we can stomach. UGGHHH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagganaro Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 I don't understand why they didn't cast these characters for the fifth season? What was the point of having no Northern lords at all then to just have them magically appear a season later. They needed tits and "bad pussy" Dorne instead :cool4: . I really don't understand how they can begin to even attempt to do a Winterfell plotline which involves Sansa being married off to Ramsay in order to secure Norther support for the Bolton regime...and then literally whittle the North down to 1 or 2 old servants saying "the North remembers" with almost no context attached. It boggles the mind really. This whole season one of the big conclusions and battles you're building towards is the Battle of Winterfell between 2 characters (Stannis and Roose) who have both been trying to win Northern support in order to win that battle...and then there is absolutely nothing. I guess these Lords will now show up because plot dictates it? Which seems to be the way the show works these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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