Lee-Sensei Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Some people believe that the First Men should take over the Vale from the Andals and rule it again since they did over six thousand years ago. I'm of the opinion that these thieving, murdering, raping savagesdon't deserve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensenmenn Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 The mountain clans don't deserve it but the Royces do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobOsevens Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Whoever is strong enough to take the Vale deserves it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philokles Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 I'd look at it the other way, not so much 'who deserves the Vale', but 'who does the Vale deserve'. And I would say the Royces' would bring the best rule given the current situation, so I hope they get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Because nobles don't steal, rape or murder? People like Harlan Hunter and Lyn Corbray are just the very picture of morality and civility. I get what you're saying, but the pillaging ways of the Mountain Clans are a result of their seclusion. If anything, Tyrion's dealings with them showed that (some earless nobodies in King's Landing notwithstanding) the Clans are perfectly able to function in a traditional Westerosi society. Heck, in some ways they're even more civilized, by giving women the right to voice their thoughts about important matters. In fact, the height of irony was Tywin Lannister and the peasants of KL kicking the Mountain Clans out like animals when they behaved far better than anyone else in the city. I thought that was the sort of social commentary Martin was going for there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Eh the clans lost it fair and square, they were stupid enough to ask the Andals to come, then keep infighting while they were being conquered. That said, if they are smart and strong enough to take it back, more power to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Steller Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 10 minutes ago, Sept Sev said: I'd look at it the other way, not so much 'who deserves the Vale', but 'who does the Vale deserve'. And I would say the Royces' would bring the best rule given the current situation, so I hope they get it. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaywolf123 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Should be forced to bend the knee or removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee-Sensei Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 Just now, Good Guy Garlan said: Because nobles don't steal, rape or murder? People like Harlan Hunter and Lyn Corbray are just the very picture of morality and civility. I get what you're saying, but the pillaging ways of the Mountain Clans are a result of their seclusion. If anything, Tyrion's dealings with them showed that (some earless nobodies in King's Landing notwithstanding) the Clans are perfectly able to function in a traditional Westerosi society. Heck, in some ways they're even more civilized, by giving women the right to voice their thoughts about important matters. In fact, the height of irony was Tywin Lannister and the peasants of KL kicking the Mountain Clans out like animals when they behaved far better than anyone else in the city. I thought that was the sort of social commentary Martin was going for there. Do you use that same defense for the Ironborn? The Ironborn chose that life. Other First Men integrated quite well into Andal society. They chose to rape, steal and murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 1 minute ago, Lee-Sensei said: Do you use that same defense for the Ironborn? The Ironborn chose that life. Other First Men integrated quite well into Andal society. They chose to rape, steal and murder. Quellon wanted them to reform, but stupid ass Balon threw all his efforts out the window and set them back in their same old pat. Hopefully Quellon's granddaughter will fix the mistakes of the useless bag of dickcheese Balon, but my point is that the Ironborn as a people don't get to choose, not really. Okay, sure they elected Euron as king, but by and large they're subjected to the whims of their rulers. The same goes for the Mountain Clans, they're reduced to act like savages because the Vale lords consider them as such. It's a vicious circle, but the ball is on the court of the Vale lords. They could contact the Clans, include them in their society, etc. You know, how Jon and Stannis are doing with the wildlings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkinDude Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Alt Shift X had a video a few days ago that suggested Timett son of Timett is the rightful heir due to his mother possibly being the sister of Jon Arryn, should Robin die. Should be interesting to see how the Vale plays out in the next 2 books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisdaw Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 The clans exist for Tyrion to betray. They're going to get Viserion fire, not the Vale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee-Sensei Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 Just now, Good Guy Garlan said: Quellon wanted them to reform, but stupid ass Balon threw all his efforts out the window and set them back in their same old pat. Hopefully Quellon's granddaughter will fix the mistakes of the useless bag of dickcheese Balon, but my point is that the Ironborn as a people don't get to choose, not really. Okay, sure they elected Euron as king, but by and large they're subjected to the whims of their rulers. The same goes for the Mountain Clans, they're reduced to act like savages because the Vale lords consider them as such. It's a vicious circle, but the ball is on the court of the Vale lords. They could contact the Clans, include them in their society, etc. You know, how Jon and Stannis are doing with the wildlings. No. They act like savages, because they are. They've had over six thousand years to change. They've chosen to be raping, murdering, thieving savages. The lionazation of these yokels needs to stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobOsevens Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Just now, Lee-Sensei said: No. They act like savages, because they are. They've had over six thousand years to change. They've chosen to be raping, murdering, thieving savages. The lionazation of these yokels needs to stop. There really hasnt been much advancement at all in the cultures in the series... some people believe the random seasons account for the lack of progress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clegane'sPup Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 56 minutes ago, Lee-Sensei said: Some people believe that the First Men should take over the Vale from the Andals and rule it again since they did over six thousand years ago. I'm of the opinion that these thieving, murdering, raping savagesdon't deserve it. I don’t have the app and I didn’t buy the coffee table book so my ideas are not skewed about what is written in the novels. If in WoW, Martin expands on the Vale mountain clans, I would shake my head and think, here we go again, an expanding of the story, at that point I would put the book down and I would really, in all sincerity say this ASOIAF story is junk. The clansmen that helped Tyrion have served their purpose. They have gone back to their mountains to do what they do. I don't see them having a major impact. What difference does it make if they are descendants of First Men or descendants of Andals. Does Martin, as much I dislike the "foreshadow" bs that is espoused, make any reference in any of the books, that the mountain clans of the Vale have any prominence in his story. I kinda think that the Vale story line is going to play out with LF somehow meeting his demise. I joke around and make lame statement's sometimes, I read the board threads, see the flames, fall into the traps, but seriously, I thank you for giving me the chance to express my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True.Kitn902 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Why on earth should the mountain clans get the Vale? The Royces are the only option IMO and gods they deserve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clegane'sPup Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 12 minutes ago, True.Kitn902 said: Why on earth should the mountain clans get the Vale? The Royces are the only option IMO and gods they deserve it. The op didn't mention mention Vale mountain clan's. It's a carry over from a disagreement on another thread. 2 hours ago, Lee-Sensei said: Some people believe that the First Men should take over the Vale from the Andals and rule it again since they did over six thousand years ago. I'm of the opinion that these thieving, murdering, raping savagesdon't deserve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee-Sensei Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 Just now, RobOsevens said: There really hasnt been much advancement at all in the cultures in the series... some people believe the random seasons account for the lack of progress Change as in stop raping, stealing and murdering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee-Sensei Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 Just now, Clegane'sPup said: The op didn't mention mention Vale mountain clan's. It's a carry over from a disagreement on another thread. The Mountain Clans were mentioned in the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarkofWinterfell Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 1 hour ago, norwaywolf123 said: Should be forced to bend the knee or removed I got a question for you....do you happen to biposting? You and Lee-Sensei share awfully similar viewpoints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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