Lifestream Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 9 minutes ago, The Fattest Leech said: Is it possible that Tyrion does not have it because dragons don't get sick. Sigh, I know I am stepping in that crackpot hidden dragon territory here, but, maybe there is something to it??? I mean, if Dany was only having her moonblood at the end of Dance, then she could be speaking the truth in this quote. Just a thought. A Dance with Dragons - Daenerys VI Ser Barristan wrinkled up his nose, and said, "Your Grace should not be here, breathing these black humors." "I am the blood of the dragon," Dany reminded him. "Have you ever seen a dragon with the flux?" Viserys had oft claimed that Targaryens were untroubled by the pestilences that afflicted common men, and so far as she could tell, it was true. She could remember being cold and hungry and afraid, but never sick. What about the Great Spring of Sickness? Daeron II Targaryen died during it. Doesn't that debunk what Viserys claimed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue-Eyed Wolf Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 11 minutes ago, The Fattest Leech said: Is it possible that Tyrion does not have it because dragons don't get sick. Sigh, I know I am stepping in that crackpot hidden dragon territory here, but, maybe there is something to it??? Even if that's true, and I don't mind that theory, he could still be a asymptomatic carrier than can still spread it. After all, Val says Shireen is still a carrier and can infect others even if she is immune from already having it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fattest Leech Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Lifestream said: What about the Great Spring of Sickness? Daeron II Targaryen died during it. Doesn't that debunk what Viserys claimed? Yup, You are correct. I forgot about that one. Wasn't that caused by Bloodraven??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifestream Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Just now, The Fattest Leech said: Yup, You are correct. I forgot about that one. Wasn't that caused by Bloodraven??? I'm not sure to be honest. I looked up the wiki because I was sure there was a Targaryen that died of illness (and true Jahaerys II died, but his illness isn't mentioned by name so I looked up other Targaryens who might have died of an epidemic or something similar since I understood that's what Viserys meant when he said "pestilences that afflicted common men"). Feel free to correct me though if I got it wrong. English isn't my first language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fattest Leech Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 14 minutes ago, Lifestream said: I'm not sure to be honest. I looked up the wiki because I was sure there was a Targaryen that died of illness (and true Jahaerys II died, but his illness isn't mentioned by name so I looked up other Targaryens who might have died of an epidemic or something similar since I understood that's what Viserys meant when he said "pestilences that afflicted common men"). Feel free to correct me though if I got it wrong. English isn't my first language. It was a rumor within the story the Mystery Knight that BR caused the Spring Sickness, and a drought. Someone was spreading those rumors, but I decided to enhance it here However, you are correct that a Targ did die of a sickness. A few actually. Your English is just fine, by the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf of the Steppes Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Lifestream said: What about the Great Spring of Sickness? Daeron II Targaryen died during it. Doesn't that debunk what Viserys claimed? Ahhh, can't believe I forgot that one. That's why I asked.....Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Martell's son Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 3 hours ago, Wolf of the Steppes said: What in the world does that prove? By your reckoning, it's not possible for Tyrion to have it because Jon has it? We KNOW that JonCon has it, and they were in the same water. Wouldn't it be MORE likely that Tyrion does have it? I'm not saying that he does, but your reasoning is a little puzzling to me. JonCon was in the same water at the same time as Tyrion and he is showing symptoms yet Tyrion is not. Tyrion is pricking himself daily and so far shows no symptoms. This is a book, and a secondary character has it and a primary character does not. What other proof do you need? It is not in any way more likely that Tyrion has it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 If Tyrions lungs were turning to stone that would be incredibly painful and obviously he would be showing symptoms such as wheezing or coughing which he is not doing. Tyrion got lucky plain and simple. We should also take into consideration the original version where George showed us definitively that Tyrion did not get it because he made the shrouded lord laugh. Also come on Griffen= a winged beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady bonehead Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 3 hours ago, Wolf of the Steppes said: You brought it up, not I..... Yes, as far as I can remember from the text and tWoIaF, the only disease that has afflicted Targaryens is madness. Can anyone confirm this? In the Dunk and Egg stories several Targs died of the Great Spring Sickness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Martell's son Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 35 minutes ago, aryagonnakill#2 said: If Tyrions lungs were turning to stone that would be incredibly painful and obviously he would be showing symptoms such as wheezing or coughing which he is not doing. Tyrion got lucky plain and simple. We should also take into consideration the original version where George showed us definitively that Tyrion did not get it because he made the shrouded lord laugh. Also come on Griffen= a winged beast. Bingo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSmith84 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 6 hours ago, The Fattest Leech said: Is it possible that Tyrion does not have it because dragons don't get sick. Sigh, I know I am stepping in that crackpot hidden dragon territory here, but, maybe there is something to it??? I mean, if Dany was only having her moonblood at the end of Dance, then she could be speaking the truth in this quote. Just a thought. A Dance with Dragons - Daenerys VI Ser Barristan wrinkled up his nose, and said, "Your Grace should not be here, breathing these black humors." "I am the blood of the dragon," Dany reminded him. "Have you ever seen a dragon with the flux?" Viserys had oft claimed that Targaryens were untroubled by the pestilences that afflicted common men, and so far as she could tell, it was true. She could remember being cold and hungry and afraid, but never sick. 6 hours ago, Wolf of the Steppes said: You brought it up, not I..... Yes, as far as I can remember from the text and tWoIaF, the only disease that has afflicted Targaryens is madness. Can anyone confirm this? I thought about this as well. While there are a lot of "ifs" in it.......IF Tyrion is a dragon, and IF dragons are immune to pestilences......BUT I think there is something to it. Well, a bunch of Targaryens (the King and his two immediate heirs) died in the Great Spring Sickness. So that rules out any general Targaryen resistance to illness. Whether having dragons makes a difference, I have no idea. Edit: Somebody already pointed this out, doh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fattest Leech Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 18 minutes ago, WSmith84 said: Well, a bunch of Targaryens (the King and his two immediate heirs) died in the Great Spring Sickness. So that rules out any general Targaryen resistance to illness. Whether having dragons makes a difference, I have no idea. Edit: Somebody already pointed this out, doh. It's ok. For me it gave a reminder that Dany is not as immune as she/I thought she was. She went riding through the crowds of people sick with the flux... so who knows Shit happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmedricko Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 8 hours ago, The Fattest Leech said: Is it possible that Tyrion does not have it because dragons don't get sick. Sigh, I know I am stepping in that crackpot hidden dragon territory here, but, maybe there is something to it??? People have already mentioned the Great Spring Sickness, but for a more relevant example, Maegelle Targaryen, daughter of King Jaehaerys I and Queen Alysanne, is said to have specifically contracted greyscale: Quote Given to the Faith, Maegelle grew to be a septa known for her compassion and her gift for healing. She was the chief cause of the reconciliation of the Old King and Queen Alysanne in 94 AC, following the Second Quarrel. She nursed children afflicted with greyscale, but she became afflicted with the same illness and died in 96 AC. (TWOIAF) Nevertheless, I wouldn't rule out Tyrion apparently not contracting greyscale as a literary, rather than in-world, hint that he is a dragon: Quote When he opened his mouth to curse them all, black water filled his lungs, and the dark closed in around him. (Tyrion V, ADWD) Quote Tyrion drove the dagger's point into the ball of his thumb, watched the blood bead up, sucked it away. "How long must I continue to torture myself? When will we be certain that I'm clean?" "Truly?" said the Halfmaester. "Never. You swallowed half the river. You may be going grey even now, turning to stone from inside out, starting with your heart and lungs. If so, pricking your toes and bathing in vinegar will not save you. When you're done, come have some broth." (Tyrion VI, ADWD) Quote The eyes were where a dragon was most vulnerable. The eyes, and the brain behind them. Not the underbelly, as certain old tales would have it. The scales there were just as tough as those along a dragon's back and flanks. And not down the gullet either. That was madness. These would-be dragonslayers might as well try to quench a fire with a spear thrust. "Death comes out of the dragon's mouth," Septon Barth had written in his Unnatural History, "but death does not go in that way." (Tyrion XI, ADWD) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One-eyed Misbehavin Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, Shmedricko said: People have already mentioned the Great Spring Sickness, but for a more relevant example, Maegelle Targaryen, daughter of King Jaehaerys I and Queen Alysanne, is said to have specifically contracted greyscale: Nevertheless, I wouldn't rule out Tyrion apparently not contracting greyscale as a literary, rather than in-world, hint that he is a dragon: That was really good. I like the Barth quote reference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One-eyed Misbehavin Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 4 hours ago, aryagonnakill#2 said: If Tyrions lungs were turning to stone that would be incredibly painful and obviously he would be showing symptoms such as wheezing or coughing which he is not doing. Tyrion got lucky plain and simple. We should also take into consideration the original version where George showed us definitively that Tyrion did not get it because he made the shrouded lord laugh. Also come on Griffen= a winged beast. That is awesome either way but if the shroud lord really is Garin that would be an epic conversation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 8 hours ago, Lifestream said: What about the Great Spring of Sickness? Daeron II Targaryen died during it. Doesn't that debunk what Viserys claimed? Dany literally shits herself in ADWD she gets so sick from bad water. I think we can rule out her being immune to stuff like the bloody flux, which is dysentery (usually) caused by bacteria found in water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 @Lost Melnibonean the quote you included has a key word that hasn't been mentioned in the discussion. Mortal. The mortal form of greyscale starts in the extremities. Regardless of what the half-maester says about how it might progress, Tyrion could in fact have the non-mortal form or greyscale, possibly lying dormant in his body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, Lady Blizzardborn said: @Lost Melnibonean the quote you included has a key word that hasn't been mentioned in the discussion. Mortal. The mortal form of greyscale starts in the extremities. Regardless of what the half-maester says about how it might progress, Tyrion could in fact have the non-mortal form or greyscale, possibly lying dormant in his body. But what would be the point of Tyrion having an upset tummy or some other non-mortal malady? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Lost Melnibonean said: But what would be the point of Tyrion having an upset tummy or some other non-mortal malady? Stone beast/gargoyle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Lady Blizzardborn said: Stone beast/gargoyle. But doesn't that only happen to kids, like they can live through chicken pox but it kills adults? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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