Brief look at GoT Season 4

[HairGrowsBack]

They really need a female fan advisor, seriously, we love the beard, how could they have missed that.

Oh, I'm all there with the more time thing. But them remembering each other, that's not so hard. Not sure if you saw this, North and South, Look back at me... He just says what he's thinking!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSDjPon2qBM

I totally don't trust them anymore, sadly, but if they cut the scene with him smacking Red Ronnet, sigh. That's showing it. When she kills the guys who cut off his hand and says "for Jaime", that's showing it. There are parallel scenes where they pray, they can say the words aloud. Oh, and the parallel scenes where they are in the bath remembering the bathhouse, they can just cut to those.

I've already written angry letters in case these scenes are left out .

and yes having something similar to the N&S scene would be perfect, though it would require some subtle writing so as not to sound too corny... and well, I have to say I'm less than hopeful about that.

[Le Cygne]

Jaime is like the least self-aware person on earth.

He found himself walking to the bear pit, uh, no particular reason. Smacked the shit out of the guy who got there before him. And then he banished him! He didn't want to have to look at him anymore!

The perfect actor, too. We need this scene, damn it.

[krtmd]

Jaime is like the least self-aware person on earth.

LMAO

Unbidden, his thoughts went to Brienne of Tarth.

[Annara Snow]

I think it would make sense in order to amplify the audience's feelings for when Tyrion kills Tywin.

Yes, but the most important thing they need to emphasize in order to amplify the audience's feelings is bring up what happened to Tysha, in more detail - it was only mentioned in season 1, and much of the audience may have forgotten it.

It's a good thing that the murder of Elia and her children will definitely be brought up in season 4 - it's really the time to emphasize how awful Tywin is. The audience mostly seems to reserve their hatred for Joffrey, and think of Tywin as a cool dude. (Though you'd think that the audience's reaction to the RW would change that, but it mostly seems to have resulted in Frey hate.) Granted, a lot of the book readers are the same.

[ebevan91]

Yes, but the most important thing they need to emphasize in order to amplify the audience's feelings is bring up what happened to Tysha, in more detail - it was only mentioned in season 1, and much of the audience may have forgotten it.

It's a good thing that the murder of Elia and her children will definitely be brought up in season 4 - it's really the time to emphasize how awful Tywin is. The audience mostly seems to reserve their hatred for Joffrey, and think of Tywin as a cool dude. (Though you'd think that the audience's reaction to the RW would change that, but it mostly seems to have resulted in Frey hate.) Granted, a lot of the book readers are the same.

I think a lot of fans respect Tywin so it's hard for them to hate him.

[DaveyJoe]

Yes, but the most important thing they need to emphasize in order to amplify the audience's feelings is bring up what happened to Tysha, in more detail - it was only mentioned in season 1, and much of the audience may have forgotten it.

Tyrion brought it up with Tywin in S3E5 when he was ordered to marry Sansa and discussed it again later that season with Bronn. Yeah, some of the audience might have forgotten it, but I think the fact that the producers were bringing it up again in season 3 means they will continue to bring it up in Season 4 as the big moment approaches. Tyrion was very angry when discussing it with Tywin in Season 3: "I was married..."

[DaveyJoe]

I think a lot of fans respect Tywin so it's hard for them to hate him.

But that's nothing compared to the audience's love for Tyrion, and they will be upset with the way the trial goes. I mean, Tywin will sentence his own son to death...

[Annara Snow]

I think a lot of fans respect Tywin so it's hard for them to hate him.

I dunno, I'd think ordering gang rapes and murders of children, in addition to orchestrating massacres and emotionally abusing your own son his entire life, should be enough to hate someone? How much does it take?

[Lord Carson]

If you pause the image in 1080P, you can see Dany, Daario, and Barristan standing in the distance, as well as Dany's white horse. I haven't been able to spot Jorah yet. But it's clearly Dany's army outside of Mereen.

Just wanted to point out that Dany's horse died in the first episode of season 2, but other than that, you're right.

[Atropis the Elf]

I dunno, I'd think ordering gang rapes and murders of children, in addition to orchestrating massacres and emotionally abusing your own son his entire life, should be enough to hate someone? How much does it take?

You'll be amazed at the amount of people who like Tywin. They are people who have not read the books. Tywin instills fear, obedience, and some (weird or not) sense of respect.

[Atropis the Elf]

Just wanted to point out that Dany's horse died in the first episode of season 2, but other than that, you're right.

She has a new white one. Remember the scene in Astapor after she commands the Unsullied to slay the masters.

[DaveyJoe]

You'll be amazed at the amount of people who like Tywin. They are people who have not read the books. Tywin instills fear, obedience, and some (weird or not) sense of respect.

The actor is very charismatic and his performance is mesmerizing. My favorite characters to watch in season 3 are Roose Bolton and Locke, that doesn't mean I approve of what they do. Villains are fun to watch, and if the show does a good job with the trial, nobody will have a problem with Tyrion killing Tywin.

[Atropis the Elf]

The actor is very charismatic and his performance is mesmerizing. My favorite characters to watch in season 3 are Roose Bolton and Locke, that doesn't mean I approve of what they do. Villains are fun to watch, and if the show does a good job with the trial, nobody will have a problem with Tyrion killing Tywin.

Exactly. Charles Dance's portrayal of Tywin is something more than epic. A delight to watch.

[DaveyJoe]

Exactly. Charles Dance's portrayal of Tywin is something more than epic. A delight to watch.

After season 4 his performance will definitely be missed. While watching season 3 I was just looking forward to the Red Wedding. When rewatching I savored all of the scenes where Tywin owned his children the most.

[Chatty Duelist]

They can't really introduce fAegon before Tyrion gets to Essos and I highly doubt he'll be getting there this season, he may arrive in Pentos in e10 though.

The last scene of the season might be JonCon and ®Aegon on the boat?

[Arkash]

After season 4 his performance will definitely be missed. While watching season 3 I was just looking forward to the Red Wedding. When rewatching I savored all of the scenes where Tywin owned his children the most.

"Kissed by Fire" ending is among the most epic moments of GoT !

[DaveyJoe]

"Kissed by Fire" ending is among the most epic moments of GoT !

When I watched it for the first time I thought it was an underwhelming way to end an episode after Brienne vs. Jaime, Jaime's hand, and Dany sacking Astapor. When I rewatched it it became one of my favorite scenes of the entire season, so awesome.

[King Brandon Ice Eyes]

You'll be amazed at the amount of people who like Tywin. They are people who have not read the books. Tywin instills fear, obedience, and some (weird or not) sense of respect.

I do think some portion of Tywin's fans like him because of his villainy. That means that they enjoy him but at the end of the day they have no illusions about what a monster he is.

But what it seems is that the majority of his fans really admire him, like he is some sort of Übermensch, a supreme leader, that sort of thing. And I think D&D's portrayal partly support this view which is really problematic.

[WeddinGuest]

First of all, I loved the shots of chained Tywin, Sansa at the Eyrie, and what I guess is some scene from Dany's storyline. Hope to get more S4 glimpses soon.

Re Tywin, I think that many fans acknowledge that Tywin was a horrible father, but see him as a capable politician, general, game-player, leader, etc., and don't see any contradiction between admiring what he did in his public life and acknowledging he was an ass in his private life; I get the feeling they would evaluate Real Life politicians the same way as well, focusing solely on their public life and declare whatever scandalous elements of their private lives exist, to be irrelevant.

The problem with this approach, I think, is that Tywin is not a real-life, contemporary politician. He is not acting on the behalf of Westeros as a "country", or even on behalf of the Westerlands as a "state" or "province". He acts to advance not the interests of a political entity, but the interests of his own family, the Lannisters. For Tywin, the personal and the political CAN'T be separated the same way it can in contemporary politics. He can't groom a capable protege from some other House to be his successor, he can only get his heir from within his family.

I think that Tywin's limits become apparent in how the Lannister legacy starts falling apart pretty much as soon as Tywin bites the dust, and you can argue it had started doing that even before; I'm sure Tywin laughed at the interfamily conflicts between the Baratheon brothers (we know Cersei did), and perhaps took time to look down his nose at the Freys and Boltons, but even before Tywin died, Cersei was in direct conflict with Tyrion, apparently truly believing he had killed Joff, and of course Tyrion believes Cersei tried to have HIM killed during Blackwater.

Now, Cersei has that whole "Frogecy" influencing her paranoia, so I'm not saying Tywin is fully to blame for HER actions, either. But, at this point in the story, all three Lannister children seem to be permanently estranged from each other, and that's not just a private problem, the survival of the Lannisters as a House is really in question, and I really don't think that would have happened if Tywin hadn't been such a horrible parent.

I also think that show-only fans may also like Tywin at this point, because the Lannister children all seem much more well-adjusted in the TV show than they do in the books, and House Lannister seems to have won the WOT5K, crushed the Starks, and made nice with the Tyrells; while Stannis is still out there, the show really hasn't shown him as a credible threat to Lannister power after Blackwater. The Ironborn also seem to be a nonfactor in the overall game of thrones at this point. But, I think that after the PW, and after Tywin's death, fan sentiment will start to change. I really hope the show keeps Jaime's ironic line about "and yet they tell me House Lannister won this war..."

[Le Cygne]

I think it was the scenes with Arya, they formed such a positive impression of him from those Harrenhal scenes with Ayra, they can't get it out of their minds. He rescued her from the Tickler, and was so nice to her. And he stands up to Joffrey, too.