[Major Book spoilers] Questions arising from S4 trailer

[WiDMNDBAMMD]

Why would she know that? Wouldn't a Stark ally return Jaime to Robb for justice, as opposed to returning him to his family? Jaime being a Stark hostage was pretty much the only thing keeping Sansa safe.

"I don't serve the Stark's I serve Lady Cateln"

She doesn't know that at all. The only source she has for that information is Brienne and Jaime themselves. Who she won't trust.

Tyrion is in this equation as well. Tyrion is the one that proposed the exchange to Catelyn Stark. Tyrion is the one that told LF to tell Catelyn.

Of course Jaime, Brienne, Sansa and Tyrion have to also consider something else. Catelyn is dead. They can't return Arya because no in KL has seen her since Ned Stark was arrested. Cept The Hound who was kept it to himself. They can't return Sansa to Catelyn either because Catelyn is dead. They can't return her to WInterfell because Winterfell is burned, they can't return her to her younger brother's because they're also dead.

After Catelyn dies and Brienne finds out about it, she loses her sense of purpose. Jaime offers her a job in service of the Queen, in the Gold Cloaks etc.

Which will make her look bad.

I never said there isn't an argument she shouldn't trust them (though the show has never portrayed the idea that Sansa has to mistrust everybody), the point is that changing the story in this manner will serve the character extremely poorly.

Tyrion has protected her from Joffrey more than anyone in Kingslanding. Is there any doubt to this?

Sansa has been hesitant to trust anyone.

Yes, to make Tyrion look better, thus shafting Sansa of her defiance. She's reduced to a completely passive figure even in the wedding. Refusing to kneel was a big moment for the character, which has been removed and replaced with absolutely nothing. And she's not even allowed to maintain her opposition to marrying a Lannister (the show even inserts that awful scene with Margaery that makes it look like him being a Lannister shouldn't matter and her primary concern is not wanting to marry a dwarf, ending with a joke about how dumb she is).

She instantly regrets it in the books so it's not a "big moment" for her character. Please re-read the book and explain why she doesn't kneel. Then tell me if that reason is elimiated in the show spoiler: it is.

#5. My take: Jaime and Brienne will probably talk to Tyrion about it in episode 1. Tyrion will discuss with them about his plan to take Sansa to Castelry Rock after Joffrey's wedding. Or maybe, Sansa would be allowed to return to Winterfell after she gives a birth to Tyrion's child.

#10. My take: The girl who slaps Ramsay in the trailer is one of the two girls from episode 3x07 who seduce Theon before Ramsay castrates him. Perhaps she will be fake Arya in the TV show.

5. Remember when Jaime found out about it in the books? His thought wasn't oh no, how do I give her back to Catelyn now? His thought was how his brother is going to be so happy with the little Stark girl. Recalling how happy he was with Tysha.

After Catelyn dies in the books does Brienne think about returning Sansa Stark to anyone? I don't think she does. Jaime is the one that comes up with the Oathkeeper plot.

It might be really awkward if Sansa is the one to tell Brienne about her mother being dead... talk about awkward.

10. Might be. The thing about the "fake Arya" plot that will be different if it happens in the show is: The Boltons will be the one that hatch it, seeing how Roose was only made Warden of the North until Tyrion's son comes of age.

once the PW happens the Boltons might get the great idea to marry Ramsay Bolton to 'Arya' to secure the North.

Too bad Ros is killed. Before episode 3x06, I imagined she could be married to Ramsay, but not as fake Arya, but as fake Sansa. As Theon recognized fake Arya as Jeyne Poole in the books, he could also recognize fake Sansa as Ros in TV series.

fake Sansa is not on Targaryen, she is married to Tyrion Lannister. Oh and she's wanted for questioning by the Queen.

1. Margaery will be featured heavily, but I don't think they will show the actual plotting of the PW because that is a huge surprise to learn later from LF.

2. I don't think Coldhands will be in the show.

3. I think Shae will help Sansa out of KL and into a boat and then go back to betray Tyrion later on. Then Tyrion strangles her with the necklace he gave her.

4. Dany starts her grey spell this season too.

5. Brienne may try to save Sansa and Sansa might turn her down thinking its a trap. But I think it's more likely that she gets arrested or is kept from Sansa. And the PW needs to happen earlier then most people are saying I think. Most of the story left occurs after the PW.

7. I think Mel will mention Arya to Jon to try and earn his trust.

8. Lady Stoneheart will be the end of episode 9. It has to be. That is the biggest "O SHHH" moment and it seems a fitting end to the 9th episode.

9. Edmure and Roslin will have some filler scenes just so we don't forget who they are.

10. I don't think the introduction of fArya wouldn't be any less clunky than it was in the books. All they need to say is "here is a Northern girl who is of similar age to Arya." They might even leave off the Poole part. They might include it. It's inconsequential.

1. it also adds to the fact that the show audience won't know if Tyrion is guilty or not. Kinda like the dagger, he made a good point to Catelyn but some unsullied still think he tried to kill Bran.

2. Me either. Seems like the biggest things he does are already over.

3. Let's pretend book Shae doesn't exsist. Might make it slightly easier to figure out where her character is headed. I mean we know she's doomed, but "I helped Sansa escape so we could be together? I testified against you because I am yours and you are mine?"

5. Brienne has no where to take her safer than where she is. This is the same situation as the books.

7. Mel didn't know she was Arya when she met her, or else why not throw a few more bags to the BwBs? She's a valueable hostage. Whether or not she'll find out through the flames or looking into Jon eyes to see his little sister is something they've not gotten to yet.

8. You mean tenth episode?

10. The reason Jeyne Poole worked is that she knew about Winterfell, some random Northern girl just won't work. it have to be someone who knows Arya/Sansa personally.

10. Doesn't have to be Jeyne. It can be any northern girl worked up by LF or, well, anyone.

10. Any northern girl is going to know enough about Winterfell to be passed off as Arya? The Roose and Ramsey are the ones that need 'Arya' LF doesn't need her, the Lannisters don't need her. The Bolton's do.

[Miryana]

5. Remember when Jaime found out about it in the books? His thought wasn't oh no, how do I give her back to Catelyn now? His thought was how his brother is going to be so happy with the little Stark girl. Recalling how happy he was with Tysha.

This is such an unbelievable asshole moment that it's amazing it's pretty much ignored in both pro-and anti-Jaime threads. Jaime's reaction to discovering that the 12-year-old he promised to return to her mother has instead been forcibly married to and (as far as anyone knows) raped by his brother is to think about how happy his brother must be with his child bride #2. He feels absolutely no concern for Sansa's rights and well-being. It's impossible for GOT Jaime to be as awful about the situation as Book Jaime was, even if he doesn't start planning an escape in the two episodes they both spend in King's Landing. But considering how GOT Tyrion has been made a flawless knight in shining armour, he and Jaime will probably have a conversation about protecting Sansa, and when she escapes with skeevy Littlefinger before she can find out about their intentions she'll indeed get the blame for not trusting in their awesomeness.

No idea what they will do with Shae, beyond expecting it to be handled in some way that avoids tarnishing Tyrion (either Tywin kills her or she suddenly becomes a treacherous villain who had it coming 100%).

There was some speculation that Roose and Walda would attend the wedding since she's in 4x02. Any signs of that? If they include a version of the Jeyne Poole plot and with a random girl (Northern or not) rather than Yara, Roose being in King's Landing would let them include some of that plotting before he joins Theon and Ramsay later in the season.

[aFeastForDragons]

Huffington Post had this topic on Stannis that he is the evil guy. Can't find it atm.

IGN had an article on Stannis as the bad guy, but got taken down to a massive backlash. (from book fans obvs)

Unsullied think he is a religious pervert and ready to kill anyone for personal gains.

They are just badly setting up Stannis to be the hero when he comes to the wall. While they made a mess of his character in S3 its very easy to turn this around in a single episode and portray him as a hero coming to the aid of the realm.

[Which Tyler]

I think maybe Brienne and Jaime are actually planning to send her to her aunt, but don't tell Sansa yet. Considering she will flee in the beginning of/somewhere in 4x03 there really isn't this much trouble with all of them being in KL.

Then the PW happens, she goes to Eyrie, but they don't know about it because she is in hiding.

I think that's great.

I can easily imagine Joff threatening Sansa in front of Tyrion and Jaime; who then plot to send her away to her Aunt for safety*, with Brienne playing the part of courier again; only for events to overtake them with the PW and LF/Dontos stealing her away.

It fits with the characters of all, unties the Brienne/Sansa knot, gives some extra scenes to delay things, and negates any need to imprison Brienne given Marg's convincing of Loras. Sansa would, of course, think it's just another trap set by the Lannisters, and still bite off LF's hand to get away,

* She's already tied to them by marriage, known throughout the realm, and her family is all dead so no real need to keep her as hostage to be abused by Joff anymore.

[Stan the Man Baratheon]

They are just badly setting up Stannis to be the hero when he comes to the wall. While they made a mess of his character in S3 its very easy to turn this around in a single episode and portray him as a hero coming to the aid of the realm.

I do hope they do justice to him. But it looks bleak.

[aFeastForDragons]

When he's one the suicide march to Winterfell to liberate it from Bolton/Frey rule and rescue fArya its going to be pretty clear he's a hero wether or not D & D agree.

[WiDMNDBAMMD]

This is such an unbelievable asshole moment that it's amazing it's pretty much ignored in both pro-and anti-Jaime threads. Jaime's reaction to discovering that the 12-year-old he promised to return to her mother has instead been forcibly married to and (as far as anyone knows) raped by his brother is to think about how happy his brother must be with his child bride #2. He feels absolutely no concern for Sansa's rights and well-being. It's impossible for GOT Jaime to be as awful about the situation as Book Jaime was, even if he doesn't start planning an escape in the two episodes they both spend in King's Landing. But considering how GOT Tyrion has been made a flawless knight in shining armour, he and Jaime will probably have a conversation about protecting Sansa, and when she escapes with skeevy Littlefinger before she can find out about their intentions she'll indeed get the blame for not trusting in their awesomeness.

No idea what they will do with Shae, beyond expecting it to be handled in some way that avoids tarnishing Tyrion (either Tywin kills her or she suddenly becomes a treacherous villain who had it coming 100%).

There was some speculation that Roose and Walda would attend the wedding since she's in 4x02. Any signs of that? If they include a version of the Jeyne Poole plot and with a random girl (Northern or not) rather than Yara, Roose being in King's Landing would let them include some of that plotting before he joins Theon and Ramsay later in the season.

Episode 2 is going to be a KL exclusive episode? Roose is going out of his way quite a bit to attend a wedding and he's not the celebrating type of guy( doesn't drink) and thing is Roose is leading an army. I don't think with a war going on ( needing to get North) it makes any sense to march to KL to celebrate ending the war when the "war is not won" according to Jaime.

Roose's wife could be there on her own, she enjoys a good meal. There's a few Bolton men that brought Jaime and Brienne to KL too, so they could escort her back?

I think that's great.

I can easily imagine Joff threatening Sansa in front of Tyrion and Jaime; who then plot to send her away to her Aunt for safety*, with Brienne playing the part of courier again; only for events to overtake them with the PW and LF/Dontos stealing her away.

It fits with the characters of all, unties the Brienne/Sansa knot, gives some extra scenes to delay things, and negates any need to imprison Brienne given Marg's convincing of Loras. Sansa would, of course, think it's just another trap set by the Lannisters, and still bite off LF's hand to get away,

* She's already tied to them by marriage, known throughout the realm, and her family is all dead so no real need to keep her as hostage to be abused by Joff anymore.

Tyrion also realizes that his time is running out as soon as Joffrey is of age, Tyrion believes Joffrey will kill him. I expect for Tyrion to say, I plan on leaving KL after the wedding with Sansa, it's not going to be safe for either of us once Joffrey becomes of age.

When he's one the suicide march to Winterfell to liberate it from Bolton/Frey rule and rescue fArya its going to be pretty clear he's a hero wether or not D & D agree.

I didn't like Stannis till he rescued the Wall. I didn't like Jaime until his confession to Brienne. I liked Tyrion until he killed his father. I didn't hate Dany until Mereen. I'm rooting for Theon to live so he can continue to suffer for what he's done. I thought Sam was worthless pile of space until he killed the other.

They might have lightened Tyrion a lot, they might have lightened Cersei a bit. They might have darkened Stannis.

but think about where those characters are headed, Tyrion and Cersei will take a turn for the dark side and Stannis will be shown as the King that came when the Night's Watch asked for help from all the lords and nobleman of Westeros.

[Colonel Green]

Episode 2 is going to be a KL exclusive episode? Roose is going out of his way quite a bit to attend a wedding and he's not the celebrating type of guy( doesn't drink) and thing is Roose is leading an army. I don't think with a war going on ( needing to get North) it makes any sense to march to KL to celebrate ending the war when the "war is not won" according to Jaime.

Roose's wife could be there on her own, she enjoys a good meal. There's a few Bolton men that brought Jaime and Brienne to KL too, so they could escort her back?

If Walda is there, Roose will be. And there's plenty of reason to attend the wedding apart from wanting to party. He could be there to confer with Tywin and the rest of the regime leadership about their next moves.

[Dreams and Prophecies]

If Walda is there, Roose will be. And there's plenty of reason to attend the wedding apart from wanting to party. He could be there to confer with Tywin and the rest of the regime leadership about their next moves.

imagine a scene with Roose and Sansa.

that would be....:'(

[Broken Fox]

I think people need to stop worrying about others' reaction to the show and just focus on their own enjoyment (or lack thereof). Personally, I think Sansa has been portrayed as more likeable and less stupid on the show than she was in the books up until this point (halfway through A Storm of Swords).

And as far as Stannis goes, I hated that character until he came to the Wall and began interacting with John Snow. I think it's entirely appropriate if viewers distrust him and/or don't like him, because that makes it all the more dramatic of a turn when he shows up guns blazing (so to speak) to save John and the Night's Watch. Although for the record, I like him quite a bit more on the show than I did in the books at this point so I honestly don't relate to the hatred that other book readers have of his portrayal.

Well said.

[The Drunkard]

And as far as Stannis goes, I hated that character until he came to the Wall and began interacting with John Snow. I think it's entirely appropriate if viewers distrust him and/or don't like him, because that makes it all the more dramatic of a turn when he shows up guns blazing (so to speak) to save John and the Night's Watch. Although for the record, I like him quite a bit more on the show than I did in the books at this point so I honestly don't relate to the hatred that other book readers have of his portrayal.

Well duh, season 3 was practically every unlikable thing Stannis did on Dragonstone wrapped into one, with some randomly added burnings and negative interactions added/changed from the books. I think show people would be silly to have any faith in the man. I just wish D&D weren't so quick to change up canon book events to make Stannis appear worse to viewers.

[Broken Fox]

Stannis is an asshole most of the time and mostly a love him/hate him kind of character. The show portrays him as more of a fucking living human being over the robot he is in the books. And I like Stannis.

[JonCon's Red Beard]

After reading the whole thing about Sansa, I think we're complicating things too much and forgetting some others.

Sansa has just got the news about her family being killed, that's the last we saw from her in last season. She isn't the same girl that was starting to trust her husband so she's (more) miserable in KL and simply can't wait for the first chance to leave, unless she has taken a "i don't really care any more" attitude towards life. If that's the case, I can see how Brienne can be the only thing she has to relate to her dead mother and clung onto the promise Brienne did.

Considering all the changes, I guess that Sansa here will be offered two ways. First, a serious and more realistic Brienne telling her she promised her mother to take care of her and she can take her out. Second, Dontos, a reminder of her likening to knight tales and her childhood, which she might refuse at first, and considering how they might portray Dontos, viewers will agree with her that Brienne and reformedJaime are the best option. I can see how Sansa could trust Brienne if she offers her to take her to her aunt Lisa, probably after the wedding, and they are making the arrangements. I can even see Lysa being mentioned so viewers will remember who she is. When the wedding happens, Sansa might be looking for Brienne to leave but it's too soon and her more available option is Dontos, who is ready to take her out. She wouldn't actually choosing him over Brienne, she simply doesn't have any more options at that particular moment when chaos is all around.

About Shae and the golden chain, just because she refused it at first doesn't mean she accepted after Tyrion insisted. Let's not forget that after the news of the RW, probably the relationship between Sansa and Tyrion is inexistent and he looked for comfort in Shae and he insisted on her to have it. And what would infuriate him the most than seen her with his father using that chain? That would be her cracking point.

[The Drunkard]

Stannis is an asshole most of the time and mostly a love him/hate him kind of character. The show portrays him as more of a fucking living human being over the robot he is in the books. And I like Stannis.

I could not disagree more strongly. I think his character in the books is a far more human one, albeit extreme, with a much more personal backstory that explains how he turned into the man he is. Show-Stannis seems like a caricature of that, with all the negative aspects of the original character exaggerated way too much.

Like smelling Melisandre's face on the beech and feeling her up in front of his men, rather than just fucking her in private, and gritting his teeth and barely acknowledging Davos' return, rather than smiling and telling him how he had been missed.

[Le Cygne]

As for Sansa, well... It's a mess. Cause there's no way Brienne wouldn't try to help her or at least stand by her. Girl might be married to Tyrion, but she's been forced in that marriage and Brienne will know that.

Agreed, it's a mess. Sansa wanted out of the marriage, she wasn't just escaping the PW. She was escaping the "mockery of a marriage" and thought prior to her escape, "her torments would soon be ended, one way or the other."

She instantly regrets it in the books so it's not a "big moment" for her character. Please re-read the book and explain why she doesn't kneel. Then tell me if that reason is elimiated in the show spoiler: it is.

I don't agree with the other things, as well, but I'll answer this in particular. The reason she didn't kneel is because she was forced to marry him against her will. She was forced to marry him against her will in the show, too. The marriage was to take Winterfell, and to do that, Robb would be killed, and Sansa would be forced to bear heirs. Books and show.

In the books, she was crying so hard, she could barely see. He tugged at her skirt three times and she refused to kneel. She didn't "instantly regret" it at all. Three times. She refused. She stood firm. She made him stand on the back of a fool to give her his cloak - how symbolic. The marriage was a farce. This was was indeed a big moment for her. She was saying, in the only way afforded her, no, I do not want this. After her moment of defiance, she knelt for the kiss, which she didn't want, either. And he never did consider her perspective, looking back, he thought, "damn you" for not kneeling, and blamed her for not bending her "stiff Stark knees."

[WiDMNDBAMMD]

I don't agree with the other things, as well, but I'll answer this in particular. The reason she didn't kneel is because she was forced to marry him against her will. She was forced to marry him against her will in the show, too. The marriage was to take Winterfell, and to do that, Robb would be killed, and Sansa would be forced to bear heirs. Books and show.

In the books, she was crying so hard, she could barely see. He tugged at her skirt three times and she refused to kneel. She didn't "instantly regret" it at all. Three times. She refused. She stood firm. She made him stand on the back of a fool to give her his cloak - how symbolic. The marriage was a farce. This was was indeed a big moment for her. She was saying, in the only way afforded her, no, I do not want this. After her moment of defiance, she knelt for the kiss, which she didn't want, either. And he never did consider her perspective, looking back, he thought, "damn you" for not kneeling, and blamed her for not bending her "stiff Stark knees."

How did we get so far off the topic here? You're quoting me from another topic, is that even legal?

I'm sure that if Tyrion/Sansa's wedding took place at the end of "The Climb" she'd be balling her eyes out, because she was, that episode and the next one.

Way to have selective memory there... for the books. Did you re-read it? Are you purposely forgetting things? I'm not.

Let's be more clear. My claim was that Sansa instantly regrets not kneeling in the books, that it's not a "big moment" for her character. That her reason for not kneeling is eliminated in the show.

I'm not even going to point out that the differences before the wedding. Just the wedding itself.

First the stool, books no one thinks to bring a stool. Show, Tyrion does bring one, which Sansa watches Joffrey steal in order to mess with his uncle.

"He wants me to kneel she realized blushing(this is after the first tug, she thinks about how she dreams about her wedding a thousand times and how she wasn't suppose to kneel)...she felt another tug at her skirt, more insistant. I won't. Why should I spare his feelings, when no one cares about mine!"

I don't know how you formulate that theory of why she refused to kneel when it's explicitly stated in her POV chapter. At first she thinks about how it wasn't suppose to be that way, second time she decides she won't kneel to spare his feelings and then....

"The dwarf tugged a third time. Stubbornly she pressed her lips together and pretended not to notice."

She could pretend that she didn't notice because he didn't say anything out loud, if he did say something to her out loud could she pretend that she is cannot hear him as he's standing right behind her? That is the difference between the book and the show is it not? That is what I meant, when Tryion asks her to kneel in the show, she cannot pretend not to notice. She saw Joffrey take the stool so she's knowingly helping Joffrey make fun of his uncle for being a dwarf if she refuses to kneel or does she try to pretend she didn't see it?

"When Sansa turned, the little man was gazing up at her, his mouth tight, his face as red as her cloak. Suddenly she was ashamed of her stubborness."

Instantly regret, suddenly ashamed. Potatoe, Patatoe. Then she does kneel so their faces were at the same level and think about how he is uglier than the Hound when she kisses him. I'm a guy so I can't assume that Tyrion is not uglier than the Hound but, given the changes to him having a nose and only a small scar while the Hound still has a burned face...

I don't blame Sansa for kneeling in the show or for not kneeling in the books. I think it's pretty obvious that if Tyrion "swallowed his giant Lannister pride" and asked her to kneel instead of just tugging on her skirt that Sansa would've bent her "stiff Stark knees".

but I also think it's obvious given the changes, that she didn't have the option to not kneel in the show. I'd love for someone to explain to me how she can refuse to do it that doesn't just make her look bad? Actually I wouldn't like it, topic needs to die.

oh so now "big moment" for her character? She didn't do anything but have people laugh at Tyrion and she resolved to kneel a few moments after her "defiance"

The thing I hated about the change was, in the books it's her fault she has to marry Tyrion. Let me explain before you jump down my throat. She tells Ser Dontos of the plan she has to marry Willas, who of course tells LF and LF tells the council. If she doesn't tell Dontos and just "doesn't show up" after the PW then what happens? She's holding the smoking gun without even knowing it, but without being married to Tyrion did it matter? After the next wedding she leaves with the QoTs goes to Highgarden and has three sons named: Eddard, Bran and Rickon. Happily ever after, but of course we knew that wouldn't happen.

In the show Loras... ugh. LF I suppose does give her a option to choose him over Loras but geez that's sick. Oh and throw Ros to Joffrey for kicks?

[Le Cygne]

How did we get so far off the topic here? You're quoting me from another topic, is that even legal?

I'm quoting you from page 6 of this thread. One of the topics of the thread is how they will handle Sansa's escape from the forced marriage. Someone said the context of the marriage has been changed on the show. This was the reply:

Yes, to make Tyrion look better, thus shafting Sansa of her defiance. She's reduced to a completely passive figure even in the wedding. Refusing to kneel was a big moment for the character, which has been removed and replaced with absolutely nothing. And she's not even allowed to maintain her opposition to marrying a Lannister (the show even inserts that awful scene with Margaery that makes it look like him being a Lannister shouldn't matter and her primary concern is not wanting to marry a dwarf, ending with a joke about how dumb she is).

I agree with the above reply. Your reply:

She instantly regrets it in the books so it's not a "big moment" for her character. Please re-read the book and explain why she doesn't kneel. Then tell me if that reason is elimiated in the show spoiler: it is.

I replied to this. All on the same thread.

Three times she refused to kneel. This was her moment of defiance. She did not want to accept his cloak. Cloaks are very important to Sansa's storyline (they included another key scene in the show, too). Tyrion had to cloak her on the back of a fool, while everyone was laughing. That's very symbolic, the marriage is a farce. She didn't want to marry him. That's why she refused to kneel. This is a very clear interpretation, shared by many...

And the show could have done it this way. (And I'll just add to this here to make it perfectly clear - the show writers are the ones who wrote the scene. If something happened in the show differently, it's because they wrote it differently. Saying that because they wrote it differently, they can't do this or that, doesn't make any sense. Just don't write it differently.)

And I said it all before, the point is, she's passive on the show. That's the concern with point #5 of this thread:

5. Sansa -Brienne

Sansa is in kings landing, and it was brienne's mission to get her safe. Brienne is in kings landing too.

But in books brienne doesn't surface there till Sansa is shipped off. How will they manage the timeline is a question

My take : Probably they will arrest brienne and explore her dynamics with loras. By the time she Is free, it would be too late.

( but again won't Jaime object if brienne is arrested)

This would be perfect, but they already ruled that out. Loras doesn't think she did it, and she's at the wedding.

[Woman of War]

But WiDMNDBAMMD is not the only one who pointed out why it was impossible to make Sansa refuse to kneel. This has been discussed so many times.

After Joffrey took the stool Sansa would have directly played Joffrey's game if she had not kneeled. She would have embarrassed Tyrion even more, just like Joffrey intended. Why should this be presented as being her intention, to ally with Joffrey here?

[Madfunkymonkey]

I'm curious to about #7. If Melissandre could tell that Gendry was a son of a King doesn't that mean if she meets Jon Snow that she would know if he is the son of Rhaegar?

[King Tommen]

I'm curious to about #7. If Melissandre could tell that Gendry was a son of a King doesn't that mean if she meets Jon Snow that she would know if he is the son of Rhaegar?

It's not like she ran into Gendry and realized this. She sought him out specifically because she "saw it in the flames". And in the books, she even admits to seeing Jon in her visions more once she gets to the Wall, she just doesn't quite know why.