Boarsbane Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Post Blackwater, Roose might still have switched sides but his betrayal would have needed to be done differently. Perhaps he might have found a way to assassinate Jon while making it look like an accident and then assume command and dispose of the loyal men as in the regular timeline. Or he might have given Jon bad advice. Or Ghost might have eaten him before he could do any damage. Why would Robb give Jon command over Roose or any of his bannermen for that matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the conquoring bastard25 Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 because he trust Jon. Do you need another reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 because he trust Jon. Do you need another reason Robb isn't going to give the majority of his forces over to an untested green bastard to organize a battle against Tywin Lannister, unless he is trying to lose the war. The fact that he trusts Jon matters not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roddy the Ruin Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 If Jon had gone south with Robb he would have died with Robb, sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHouseHB Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I could see Robb commanding Jon to stay behind at Winterfell to protect Bran and Rickon. Jon could have led an assault on the Ironborn when they attacked the North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Answer Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 If they were together we probably wouldn't frown upon Jaime and Cersei's relationship as much as we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~DarkHorse~ Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 If they were together we probably wouldn't frown upon Jaime and Cersei's relationship as much as we do. Yes, according to The Queen of Thorns (show one anyway) boys can get curious and have a tumble with their *cousins* under the covers. Several people have stated that Jon would be the one comforting Robb, not Jeyne. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 because he trust Jon. Do you need another reason He is a bastard boy and Roose Bolton is one of his most powerful bannermen, Robb would have to be a complete idiot to put Jon in command of Roose or any other of his lords. The lords are battle tested while Jon is a green boy, and a bastard on top of that so anyone highborn put under his command is going to take offense to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTS Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 If Jon had joined Robb I think Robb would have had him become steward of Winterfell, and when the Greyjoy army would try to take over Jon would beat Theon and keep Robb's heir alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the conquoring bastard25 Posted March 1, 2014 Author Share Posted March 1, 2014 yeah but he actual trust Jon where as Bolton scares Robb. It's just a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 yeah but he actual trust Jon where as Bolton scares Robb. It's just a reason. Again trust doesn't matter all that much, while he might trust Jon not to betray him that doesn't make him a smart choice to led a fight against Tywin Lannister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee-Sensei Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 If Jon had joined Robb I think Robb would have had him become steward of Winterfell, and when the Greyjoy army would try to take over Jon would beat Theon and keep Robb's heir alive. Maybe. You think he wouldn't fall for the same trick that Rodrik Cassel did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysodope Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Things would def be different. Jon would have talked robb out of sending theon to the iron islands. Jon never liked theon. Also I think jon would have been to talk him out of marrying the westerling girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 How does the fact that Jon doesn't like Theon mean he will talk Robb out of sending him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
complexphoenix Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Why would Robb give Jon command over Roose or any of his bannermen for that matter? Why did Robb take command of his forces himself instead of giving it to someone older and more experienced? Because "none of them are Starks" he tells Catelyn. Jon isn't a Stark in name, but he is one in blood. Really, is there any reason he wouldn't give Jon that command, given that he takes a command for himself? Robb doesn't think much less of Jon for being a bastard, he loves him and trusts him as much as if Jon were his trueborn twin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Jon isn't a Stark in name, but he is one in blood. That is a vast difference to their society. Simply, Robb had to take charge to show his future bannermen that he was a man and that are correct in putting their trust in them. While, the bannermen might be wary about trusting a greenboy they will accept following the Heir of Winterfell. In contrast, a bastard is an entire different story and would be seen as an insult to be placed under the command of a green bastard (especially one that snottily acts like a lord). Moreover, Robb would likely want to ensure that the person that he sends out after Tywin is a competent enough commander something Jon has no evidence of (then or even now). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Why did Robb take command of his forces himself instead of giving it to someone older and more experienced? Because "none of them are Starks" he tells Catelyn. Jon isn't a Stark in name, but he is one in blood. Really, is there any reason he wouldn't give Jon that command, given that he takes a command for himself? Robb doesn't think much less of Jon for being a bastard, he loves him and trusts him as much as if Jon were his trueborn twin. Jon is a bastard, Robb may not care but his bannermen sure as hell will if they are put under the command of a green boy bastard who has never even fought in a battle. Most of Robb's bannermen actually fought in wars, it would be idiotic to put Jon in command just because you like him better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the conquoring bastard25 Posted March 1, 2014 Author Share Posted March 1, 2014 well if you listen to the Jon haters it's because he's a bastard that he shouldn't be given command. When they aren't thinking that it doesn't matter if he's a bastard the king commands and the lords obey. IF Robb wants is brother to fight by his side or lead his men into battle it's Robb's choice as king. Might this cause problems it can but it's Robb's royal right to do as he pleases in regrads to his leaders and commanders. Not to mention that unlike these older and more experienced men none of them besides Jon were trained about war craft by Ned Stark or holds the same values when planning a battle that Jon would have. They learned warcraft from one of most practical and even headed leaders in the books. Which means that they would probably have at least similar ideas of how to attack and approach different situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 When they aren't thinking that it doesn't matter if he's a bastard the king commands and the lords obey. IF Robb wants is brother to fight by his side or lead his men into battle it's Robb's choice as king. The lords are not automatons that they just obey Robb's commands without their own desires and interests playing a role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
complexphoenix Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 That is a vast difference to their society. Simply, Robb had to take charge to show his future bannermen that he was a man and that are correct in putting their trust in them. While, the bannermen might be wary about trusting a greenboy they will accept following the Heir of Winterfell. In contrast, a bastard is an entire different story and would be seen as an insult to be placed under the command of a green bastard (especially one that snottily acts like a lord). Moreover, Robb would likely want to ensure that the person that he sends out after Tywin is a competent enough commander something Jon has no evidence of (then or even now). Jon got all the same lessons from Ned that Robb did. If Robb is a competent commander despite his young age, why wouldn't Jon be? The only other Northern bastard whom we see taking a military role is Ramsay... and his father's men seem to have no problem taking orders from him. Given that Jon is a much better person than Ramsay, I'm not buying your assertion that they wouldn't follow a bastard if the bastard was granted the command by the reigning Stark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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