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How would you rate episode 404?

How would you rate episode 404?  

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  1. 1. What's your rating from 1-10, with 10 being the highest/best

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- Daenerys "evil" moment was rushed. Like a visit to the ass doctor. Something that it so evident D&D dont want to do.... I belive it was shorter than all Stannis evil moments. Even the last one.

- Dont like the butterfly effect of Bran and Jon story.

- Book spoiler area grows bigger and bigger....now we know were WW come from.

- Older Tommen cast switches a childish lovely character to one likely gay or dumb.

- Cartoonish evil guys in Crasters.

Its a 4.

How do you get that Tommen is gay ?

He seems to be very happy, but a little surprised, at the prospect of sharing his bed with Margaery (and who can blame him :love: )

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How do you get that Tommen is gay ?

He seems to be very happy, but a little surprised, at the prospect of sharing his bed with Margaery (and who can blame him :love: )

Yeah, I thought he reacted pretty naturally to having Natalie Dormer lips a hair's breadth away from his. He certainly went to sleep a lot happier...

Really, he's taking the whole thing in the way you'd expect a sexually naive fourteen/fifteen-year-old boy to. He's smitten and confused.

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Awesome episode, best of the season so far in my opinion. I gave it a ten.

Love the shot of Dany on the top of the pyramid with the Targaryen banner above her.

Yes I liked how we got a brief glimpse of it - not enough to pick out what it is - just that it was portentous - then the close up.

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Amen brother. I'm a reader, GRRM is telling a fantastic story and HBO is butchering it. My fear is that Martin's writing of the last two books will be influenced by the show's script. So what are the Thenns doing now, hanging out in Moles town just chillin South O' the wall........

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Am I the only one who did NOT like this episode at all?

Some really good scenes, I like NC-W's acting much more than as he still was the arrogant asshole. A man who has after all found to itself and struggels in finding his place because all his "world" does not at all accept his change... The Brienne-scenes were very good, alos fitting how they changed the way Pod joined her.

Not good: The Tyrell-Littlefinger Plot was told to early. Surely the readers know, but for the unsullied it would be better to riddle if Thyrion did not...

Bran at Crasters? Why? To give him screen-time? The book-scenes of his journey are material enough, I think!

The final scene - a waste of screentime! The tiny Ice-Stonehenge was a joke, and the most interesting thing with the Walkers - nobody knows what they are, from where they are, and what they want - is spoiled

The first time I'm disappointed by the show!

Amen brother. I'm a reader, GRRM is telling a fantastic story and HBO is butchering it. My fear is that Martin's writing of the last two books will be influenced by the show's script. So what are the Thenns doing now, hanging out in Moles town just chillin South O' the wall........

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one of the worst episodes so far.


So many many cahnges..


ITs like they went "fuck it, now were going to do it how we want it to".


These changes have so so many implications for the plot that, right now, Im not sure how they will stay faithful to the books.



Ive always been a defender of the show and their changes, but what they did in this episode is beyond me..



I just dont know what to say right now.. Why?!


Im seriously worried about the show right now.


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one of the worst episodes so far.

So many many cahnges..

ITs like they went "fuck it, now were going to do it how we want it to".

These changes have so so many implications for the plot that, right now, Im not sure how they will stay faithful to the books.

Ive always been a defender of the show and their changes, but what they did in this episode is beyond me..

I just dont know what to say right now.. Why?!

Im seriously worried about the show right now.

Nothing major will change. Relax. The only thing with major implications is that Jon and Bran may meet, but they probably won't. Bran will still go North to the 3EC and Jon will still defend the will, will still be presented with a chance to be Lord of Winterfell, and will still be Lord Commander. There is literally nothing different other than the journeys getting there, which they're making less detached and more suspenseful/active.

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This is the first time I've given an episode a 10 , just fantastic episode 4 has been the best at least these last seasons. This episode spun my head around like something from the exorcist it just blew my mind, at first I had a huge problem with the ghost being captured scene like other people I was sure it couldn't happen and was confused about why they would keep ghost alive, but after I thought about the changes they had already made with ghost not being with Jon when he went with the wildlings and instead fighting with Lord Commander Mormont at the fist even saving Sam from a white walker. My explanation for what we saw last night is. The self proclaimed fucking legend of gin alley saw what Ghost can do to a White and thought rather have it around than dead at the very least it might give us a signal if there are whites around. I think Sam put ghost in the cage before the mutiny happened.


It might also be possible that some of the mutineers like Jon ,he had his run in with Craster too .They could also be scared of him he has after all been smacking the shit out of them in training. anyway I think there are more reasons to keep ghost alive than to just stab him especially if he was in the cage before the mutiny. My only problems with this episode were Dany's scenes being rushed .I have always liked Emilia Clarkes portrayal of Dany however last nights "I will answer injustice with justice " was cringe worthy to say the least and the scene with greyworm learning the common tongue was irritating and pointless. Whoever posted about the Queen of thorns saying "it was all the rage" thanks because now it really bugs me too. It's been a while since I was able to sit on the edge of my seat with the other viewers like I did the first season before I read the books so thanks for that D&D. I did laugh to myself during the Jaime and Tyrion scene because they are supposed to be brothers but their accents are nothing alike. I think Peter dinklage is great as Tyrion but his accent does veer off into the Austin powers impersonation territory .I had noticed that Tywin and Jaime have very similar accents perhaps they should of sent Peter dinklage to the same dialect coach or just sat him down with a boxset of everything Charles Dance has ever been in although They should really do that with every actor on the show to be fair.I am going to say it the Margery visiting Tommen in his bedroom scene was hot. I can just imagine what it would of been like for me at his age to have a hot woman like Margery coming to my bed at night and telling me that I will own her soon.It was made even more sexually charged by the Margery scene that preceded it with the Queen of Thorns stories of her sexploits and then encouraging Margery to do the same with Tommen. The reveal of the nights king at the end Transforming one of craster's babies into a white walker will have us all theorizing for months at least until the next book comes out *cough (after the end of this season)


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It's an 8 for me. The Meereen revolt was really rushed; I feel like it should have spanned a couple of episodes. Dany's detached, "blood of the dragon" delivery is really tedious.

Loved the Ser Pounce cameo. Tommen's sexy/creepy Marg encounter worked, I think, and his smile afterward was just perfect. I can see why they recast him now.

I'm digging Locke and his storyline and kinda wishing he was in the books. It did bug me that Jon couldn't mark him as a northman based on his speech or other clues. Though maybe Locke is not originally from the north.

Karl drinking out of Mormont's perfectly clean and whitened skull was a bit much. Could definitely have done without the gratuitous rape.

I'm sad that the show got to the Land of Always Winter first, but it's still awesome to see it and learn some more about the Others.

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My favorite part was being surprised. I'm NOT going to fuss about being book-spoiled. It's a great trade off to have a few surprises on the show. I really dig taking slightly different paths to what I assume with still be the same overall story arch.


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In my opinion this and episode 2 were the strongest so far of this season. Episode 1 was good but 3 was a fail by GOT standards for me at least.



LOVED Locke at the Wall and his interactions with Jon. Looking forward to that.


LOVED Ser Pounce. I hope he makes another appearance. On that note, I like this Tommen and his scenes in general.


LOVED WW scene it was mind blowing as a book reader I was in complete shock because this is clearly a huge spoiler from winds of winter. I'm not surprised they turn the babies into WW i suspected that from the beginning I knew they didn't kill them.



HATED the look of the so called 'Nights King' White Walker it was so CGI cartoonish like sci-fi. I felt like he belongs in Battlestar Galactica or something. I wish they made him more human-like and intriguing I dunno that was so eek.



Overall tho amazing episode


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+ Locke at the Wall


+ Jaime-Tyrion scene done well


+ Pod


+ Barristan being awesome as always



- Can Jorah like, get any screen time this season or?


- Karl... I didn't think anyone could be more annoying than Joffrey and Slynt. I was very wrong... Why they decided to add yet another facepalm-worthy character is beyond me. I guess it's to give Jon something to do while the Wildlings prepare and what-not.


- No Coldhands, but Dath Maul's ugly cousin made an appearance



+/- The last scene. Still dunno if I love it or hate it. A bit of both, I suppose.



Taking all that into consideration, I'd say an 8/10 - good time no alcohol required.

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Oh wow. Great episode. Lots of epic scenes.



Loved the opening with Dany taking the city thanks to the slaves revolting. Strong scene with Grey Worm and Missandei too: I wanted it to go on for longer. There was chemistry between the two and it reminded us of their motivation for killing the Masters. Great location for the city as well.



Nitpick: no dragons! A dragon swooping down and perching on the harpy would have been perfect. Nitpick2: no blood when the slaves killed the master in the street! I miss the days when every death was gory. It's not just that it makes it exciting, but that it makes it more real, and reminds us what the stakes are, what death is.



Loved the scenes with Jaime. I thought Jaime was going to hit Bronn with his golden hand for a second, but it turned out the other way around. Don't think Jaime was ever a 'clean' fighter though, to judge by the way he stuck his dagger in Jory's eye. Great dialogue between him and Tyrion, although his excuse for not letting Tyrion go seemed a bit thin: surely, he should have just said they should wait until after the trial? Jaime and Cersei's scene was good. Cersei was really on form and convincing in her hatred of Tyrion. There was zero reference to the rape, but, if the idea is to forget that ever happened, I'm happy to go along. Nice to see Brienne sent off on a mission too since hanging around KL didn't suit her. Nitpicks? I seem to have included them all already.



Great scene again between LF and Sansa and particularly good acting from Sophie Turner. So good to see her showing some intelligence and gumption! And you could tell by her acting she knew what LF wanted from her - no more naivety.



Olenna and Margaery were great as always. I thought Margaery was going to jump Tommen's bones, especially after that speech by Olenna, but she stopped short. Is Tommen supposed to be a boy or a teenager? He seemed more like the latter until they brought Ser Pounce in.



Nitpick: when Tommen asks her how she got past the Kingsguard, her reaction is just 'Pfft! Kingsguard!'. Really??!



Interesting changes from the book at the Wall. Love it. They finally addressed what Jon knows about Bran and how he feels about it. Sam now regrets sending Gilly to a whorehouse in Molestown, as well he might.



Nitpick: Locke got there unbelievably fast and what's he planning to do all by himself (is he by himself?)?



Craster's ex-Keep was perhaps not quite on a par with the rest AFAIC. I love Burn Gorman, he was electrifying in Season 3, and it was good to see him back...but they've turned him into more of a cardboard cut-out bad guy. The constant raping seemed gratuitous, pornographic even. I don't know...would they really be doing that day after day after day? Not sure about Craster's women turning into devout White Walker cultists, not after they were all for saving Gilly's baby last time. And Rast may be scum, but even scum ought to hesitate before *sacrificing a baby*! It's only human. Nevertheless, despite my criticisms, the scenario worked for me on the whole and there are all sorts of interesting possibilities with Bran & co. It was dumb the way they got captured - and how come they had a wolf trap? and how come they kept Ghost alive? But it moves the plot along.



Epic scenery in the last scene, and good to see White Walkers again. Nitpick: that looked like some temple in the heart of winter, so how did he get there so fast?



Overall, my favourite episode so far, and bodes well for the rest of the season. I gave it a 10.


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Its not fair to judge the show on how close it relates to the book. I have read all the books, and I personally want changes. If the show was 100% like the book it would be really boring for me to watch. The changes make it interesting to watch every week because I am not spoiled. People need to judge the show ON THE SHOW itself.

I give this episode an 8, Jon Snow coming in contact with Bran will be very interesting. I kind of like how this is playing out compared to the books.

To paraphrase Tyrion: If you want nuanced, intelligent, unbiased criticism of the show, you've come to the wrong place.

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I like not knowing what happens next. A great episode, it seems the only arguments against this episode is the fact no one knew what was coming and how it deviated from the books.

As the show starts to separate, under supervision from the tome holder himself, maybe it's time we started separating the two as viewers.

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