Batbob45 Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 The Kinslaying is only a curse if the people made dumb decisions.I don't think Tyrion would get greyscale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jons nissa Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 hard to say what will happen with the greyscale. there's been plenty of references to the stone gargoyles and other things that could be foreshadowing. or not. as for the kinslaying, obviously there's no curse but there are serious repercussions for such an act. again, it's hard to say whether tyrion is paying for that now as he struggles as a slave and is forced to do humiliating things in order to survive or whether he'll have to pay a more serious price upon returning to westeros. it could go either way but i don't think it's automatically a death sentence for him. i kind of get the feeling he will die from something unrelated to either of these but it's just a hunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batbob45 Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 I think Tyrion getting Greyscale will add salt to the wounds of his crappy life. While I don't like that Tyrion gave the order for the nasty rumor about Shireen and if he get greyscale, it would be poetic because he basically went after a innocent who is a outcast like him , I think it would be dumb to give Tyrion Greyscale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnar of the Salted Sea Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 Start the rumour about Shireen how? I'm clearly missing something here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 Nah, he dead. One of the things Richard III is remembered for is being the last monarch to die in battle. Plus he's GRRM's favourite, he'll give him a heroic last stand I reckon. Stannis is taking that part of Richard's life actually. Tyrion is no monarch. If Tyrion has to die a heroic death would be great, but I don't know that it will be in battle, as he does try to avoid battles as often as he can. He's really got a lot more Anthony Woodville (split with Jaime) than Richard III. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mourneblade Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 Start the rumour about Shireen how? I'm clearly missing something here. that she was a bastard born from a union between Patchface and Selyse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnar of the Salted Sea Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 Damn, clearly it's time for a reread, I was under the impression that was just a forum theory, not an actual in-canon rumour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mourneblade Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 Damn, clearly it's time for a reread, I was under the impression that was just a forum theory, not an actual in-canon rumour. It was a counter rumor put out by Tyrion and Cersei to combat Stannis's Incest/bastard claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnar of the Salted Sea Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 Aah, now it rings a bell.Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisdaw Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 Stannis is taking that part of Richard's life actually. Tyrion is no monarch. If Tyrion has to die a heroic death would be great, but I don't know that it will be in battle, as he does try to avoid battles as often as he can. He's really got a lot more Anthony Woodville (split with Jaime) than Richard III.No Tyrion far more closely represents Richard III, Tyrion just isn't a monarch yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new djinn Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 Well, realism was never a priority in Tyrion's storyline, so why would it bow to it at this point. He's the one character who's future is completely open(for several reasons). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alienarea Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 I have speculated in various threads that Tyrion dies in the battle of Mereen. IMHO, a lot of things add up: 1) He is a kinslayer2) He might have greyscale (I am fascinated with the idea that his tongue turns to stone and he dies because he can't talk himself out anymore).3) His AdwD arc is 3/4 downhill, then he seems to get up again. That is usually when heroes die in movies ...4) The Peggy quote, paraphrased, "you don't wear armor" could be a hint by GRRM that Tyrion has run out of plot armor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivianne Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 There has been some forshadowing that he has Greyscale, but nothing concrete (heh), . tee hee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivianne Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 2) He might have greyscale (I am fascinated with the idea that his tongue turns to stone and he dies because he can't talk himself out anymore). ooohh I like that, the irony is delicious! as much as I love the Imp, it's all about his wit and Wiles, if he loses that........ :dunno: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 No Tyrion far more closely represents Richard III, Tyrion just isn't a monarch yet. The Baratheon brothers are the Plantagenet brothers with the last two reversed. Robert was Edward IV, Stannis is Richard III, and Renly was George of Clarence. Tyrion does have bits of Richard III, but Stannis is the one who has claimed the throne by saying his brother's children are bastards and have no right to it (different details of course because it's not just a re-imagining of history), and has been waging war to take the throne. Stannis is also a proven warrior and battle commander who has been of great help to Robert in both taking and holding the throne, like Richard. He has a blood claim to the throne, like Richard. He's also very likely to die in battle, like Richard. The role is split between the two characters but weighs more heavily toward Stannis overall, particularly as regards the throne. Tyrion is unlikely to sit the throne unless Jon or Dany takes it first, names him heir, and then dies. Not exactly Richard-like. Possible of course, but not something that seems like a given by any means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 Tyrion seems less doomed than the other Lannisters. But I suppose his could jut be kept in reserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newstar Posted May 25, 2014 Author Share Posted May 25, 2014 I am completely open on this. There has been some forshadowing that he has Greyscale, but nothing concrete (heh) Haw! It's well known that Tyrion is GRRM's favourite, but he's also spoken of being aware of the need for writers to "kill their darlings." I could see him killing Tyrion off to make an example of him and prove wrong all those who've said Tyrion's too beloved by GRRM to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisdaw Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 The Baratheon brothers are the Plantagenet brothers with the last two reversed. Robert was Edward IV, Stannis is Richard III, and Renly was George of Clarence. Tyrion does have bits of Richard III, but Stannis is the one who has claimed the throne by saying his brother's children are bastards and have no right to it (different details of course because it's not just a re-imagining of history), and has been waging war to take the throne. Stannis is also a proven warrior and battle commander who has been of great help to Robert in both taking and holding the throne, like Richard. He has a blood claim to the throne, like Richard. He's also very likely to die in battle, like Richard. The role is split between the two characters but weighs more heavily toward Stannis overall, particularly as regards the throne. Tyrion is unlikely to sit the throne unless Jon or Dany takes it first, names him heir, and then dies. Not exactly Richard-like. Possible of course, but not something that seems like a given by any means. No it's weighted towards Tyrion and GRRM well continues the course with the Mercy chapter. GRRM has just used Richard's positioning and circumstance to slot Stannis into the equation, but his story since the series has moved in a direction away from any course resembling Richard. In Tyrion's case, both are physically deformed. Both their physical deformities are represented as manifestations of evil. Both actually rule, albeit Tyrion as Hand. Both (were thought to have) ruled well. Both had their rules misrepresented and came to be loathed by the common people (after the fact in Richard's case). Both married a traitor's daughter for her claim. Tyrion's wife Sansa well parallels Richard's Anne. Both are accused of killing their nephew to steal his throne. They're both depicted in plays about themselves as comically evil villains, GRRM not particularly loosely mirroring the opening scene and language of Richard III in the Bloody Hand. All that's left is for Tyrion and Sansa is to unlikely come into their throne following the declaration of Tyrion's nephew (and/or niece) as illegitimate, which he is, like Richard and Anne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GokuStark Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Tyrion is a Targaryen so that would make him immune to disease, and not a kinslayer. Crackpot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mother of The Others Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 He'd always need to tread carefully, but if he were the guy standing between the Lannisters and complete dragonfire annihilation as Danny's West Warden, then his "fam" would likely warm up to him a bit to prevent themselves from being warmed up way too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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