Fai Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I think Sam will be assassinated and replaced by a facelessman. We (readers) won't know if it's Sam because we will get Jon's/someone else POV. Why will Sam be assassinated? Sam has the dragonhorn. The facelessmen are researching into dragons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen.Sansa.Lannister Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 I could totally see Jaqen doing this, as we know he's currently at the Citadel (or at least used to be). So it's entirely possible. But I hope it doesn't happen. I think Sam still has a pretty big role to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoamingRonin Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 I wouldn't be surprised if he was killed and his identity was stolen. Not for the horn (they could just take it once they kill him) but for other reasons. That would be a neat twist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillyPolly Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Yup. Sam is already dead, I think. We saw his last POV at the end of FEAST. After they pumped him for info, they had no further use for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fai Posted September 3, 2014 Author Share Posted September 3, 2014 I could totally see Jaqen doing this, as we know he's currently at the Citadel (or at least used to be). So it's entirely possible. But I hope it doesn't happen. I think Sam still has a pretty big role to play. What role? He already killed a White Walker; saved a damsel in distress and fucked her. He overcame his fears and he informed Merwyn about the Wall's situation. Jaqen can become a maester much faster then Sam. A facelessman is probably already as knowledgeable as most maesters. GRRM was going to have a 5 year time gap. I could see Sam becoming a maester in 5 years. But becoming a maester and getting back to the wall in 1 year...I think is not possible for Sam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 What role? He already killed a White Walker; saved a damsel in distress and fucked her. He overcame his fears and he informed Merwyn about the Wall's situation. Jaqen can become a maester much faster then Sam. A facelessman is probably already as knowledgeable as most maesters. GRRM was going to have a 5 year time gap. I could see Sam becoming a maester in 5 years. But becoming a maester and getting back to the wall in 1 year...I think is not possible for Sam. He needs to be our POV in Oldtown and the Reach, and witness Euron's attack and all the Archmaester shenanigans, and he needs to take that Maester test and light the obsidian candle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pino Proxy Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 To be honest, I find the idea of Sam, Jaime, Euron, or Theon dying early and maybe even at all in The Winds of Winter to be absurd. I tend to think such significant characters would at least have some sort of long term impact on the plot before dying out of nowhere. I expect Sam to make a difference in Oldtown, and he's only just arrived there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay B. Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 He needs to be our POV in Oldtown and the Reach, and witness Euron's attack and all the Archmaester shenanigans, and he needs to take that Maester test and light the obsidian candleYes, and there are some who think that Sam will be the one that kills Euron with an arrow. There is some foreshadowing for this but I did a quick search and couldn't find the thread. I don't really buy that but it is a good read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fai Posted September 3, 2014 Author Share Posted September 3, 2014 He needs to be our POV in Oldtown and the Reach, and witness Euron's attack and all the Archmaester shenanigans, and he needs to take that Maester test and light the obsidian candle George said that the sand snakes will have a bigger part to play in tWoW, maybe Sarella will be our onetime POV for Old town. Yes, and there are some who think that Sam will be the one that kills Euron with an arrow. There is some foreshadowing for this but I did a quick search and couldn't find the thread. I don't really buy that but it is a good read. Jaqen is more likely to kill Euron to keep the truth about Euron's Egg safe. We know that Sam has been practicing archery and complaining about it. So if Jaqen with Sam's face shoot down Euron from a high vantage point, it won't be to far-fetched for the readers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 No, he won't. It's like the "Jon is really dead!" theories...it would be pointless to kill Sam off at this stage of the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pecan Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 This is pretty much a troll thread. I don't see any reason why GRRM would kill him off. I'm not saying it won't happen because obviously it could, but I don't see how it serves the plot and I don't think there's any particular foreshadowing. I'm due for an AFFC re-read though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panther2000 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 I missed the part where Jaquen(sp) in at the Cit. What book is this in. I have re - read the story like 4 times already & I am listing to it on Audio. I just don't know where or how he got there. I have heard this many times that he is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trickrs Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 George said that the sand snakes will have a bigger part to play in tWoW, maybe Sarella will be our onetime POV for Old town. He also said no more POVs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mycah Bluth Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 What role? He already killed a White Walker; saved a damsel in distress and fucked her. He overcame his fears and he informed Merwyn about the Wall's situation. Jaqen can become a maester much faster then Sam. A facelessman is probably already as knowledgeable as most maesters. GRRM was going to have a 5 year time gap. I could see Sam becoming a maester in 5 years. But becoming a maester and getting back to the wall in 1 year...I think is not possible for Sam. It would be really, really gnarly if this was the tack GRRM took with Sam and the FFC chapter was Sam's last as himself. That would just be an insane, sinister deconstruction of the hero arc Sam has been on and would rule so hard (not because I dislike Sam but because he's been built up over the last few books and it would be a bit of Red Wedding style game change). Also, wasn't Jaqen trying to get to the Wall in the first place, before running into Arya? That does seem to be a fast way to get back up there with a dragon horn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lyman Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 I missed the part where Jaquen(sp) in at the Cit. What book is this in. I have re - read the story like 4 times already & I am listing to it on Audio. I just don't know where or how he got there. I have heard this many times that he is there. Book 4 in the prologue. The man Pate meets with, fits the description that Arya sees Jaqen turn into at Harrenhal. Also. the poisoned coin that Pate bites into is the same method of death that Arya uses on the Insurer in Dance. Later, Sam meets a novice named Pate, which people believe is really Jaqen with Pate's face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen.Sansa.Lannister Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 He needs to be our POV in Oldtown and the Reach, and witness Euron's attack and all the Archmaester shenanigans, and he needs to take that Maester test and light the obsidian candleThis. Also he can totally help in the fight against the Others even from a distance. Plus, he needs to be in Oldtown to help us figure out some of the magic floating around in this world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarkSlayer LannisterLover Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Sam won't be staying in Oldtown soon, as soon as the Greyjoys arrive he will run away with Gilly and sarella/Alleras and some special and dragon info. Jaqen will probably chase them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Eater Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 George said that the sand snakes will have a bigger part to play in tWoW, maybe Sarella will be our onetime POV for Old town. Jaqen is more likely to kill Euron to keep the truth about Euron's Egg safe. We know that Sam has been practicing archery and complaining about it. So if Jaqen with Sam's face shoot down Euron from a high vantage point, it won't be to far-fetched for the readers. We already have Sam for that, and his death wouldn't contribute to anything plotwise. Also, there is his character development to deal with. He is going to have to stand up on his own without Jon or his friends to help him. Why would he do that? The FM have no use for the egg, and it isn't illegal to keep them. I think it is mor elikely Sam kills Euron with a bow and arrow, and after having already killed with a dagger he will have become the striding huntsman of his sigil which is depicted with a dagger and a bow and arrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oopeed Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 So the whole story arc for Sam will be a sad bunch of moments, then she bangs a girl and then she dies? That's so poetic. Even if he was replaced it is definitely a cheap resource.getting expelled from his home, being abused by Thorne, get some crappy experiences north of the wall, fix an election, make a travel almost doomed to failure, loosing the last dragon, banging a girl then finally make it to Oldtown to give his father one last displeasure by becoming a maester... all of those events seem to me as enough to grant him at least until the end of WoW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 This does not make sense at all. It is not how narrative works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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