Stannis's Lawyer Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Arya's death was blatantly foreshadowed in AGOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingelheim Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Tony in Avengers 2. My ass. RDJ ends his contract in Avengers 3. Arya is the mot likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Benjen. Tony in Avengers 2. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faydra Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 I think that Jon and Benjen might die in the end. I'm not certain about Arya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liaraeyne Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Sansa... she's one of my favorites, but I have a feeling she is going to die. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SacredOrderOfGreenMen Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 :agree: Arya will die first, and Jon will die in the end. I'm not sure about the rest...Don't agree with that at all. The idea that GRRM will kill off "any" character is so overhyped and really not true. Arya, like Sansa and Bran, are living out what is known as the "monomyth": the hero's journey. But Arya arguably living out the purest and most exact version of it. And the hero's journey begins first with their training, then with the death of the mentor. The hero must also believe that they are the "last hope" which all three do at this point do. The series is really Arya, Bran's and Sansa' coming of age story, which characteristically do not end in death. Take a look at the pattern of deaths in the series so far and reconsider the idea that "any" character will die: Ned: mentor who had to dieCat: mentor who had to dieMaester Luwin: No POV, mentor who had to dieRobb: no POV, and had to die for the others to believe that they are "the last hope"Tywin: no POV, inverse mentorViserys: no POVJeor: no POV, mentor who had to dieKhal Drogo: no POVRobert Baratheon: No POVRenly Baratheon: no POVOberyn: No POVQuentyn: Only 2 POVs, and introduced very late in the books See the pattern. GRRM performed us a bait in switch by making Ned a POV in a political thriller to disquise him as a mentor who was obviously marked to die from the beginning. By contrast, Arya has spent 34 chapters just growing-up and maturing: all that would be wasted if it ended in her death. Bran has had 25, Sansa 21. Their arcs are identity ones centered on their future rolls in House Stark. Only Jon, whose narrative is narratively tied and paralleled to Dany and Tyrion's ("a hero's story" in another sense) is likely die, and I for one think he almost certainly will: sacrificing himself to finally prove to the world that he is not just some "traitor's bastard" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerTonyStark Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Tony in Avengers 2.I'm not going anywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archmaester Drew Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 I know nothing about literature, but it seems to me that Arya's death was foreshadowed, and her arc is to seek vengeance and be a tragic figure. I suspect Jon will sacrifice himself in the end -- which, I think, many agree. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadstarks Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 So, I uh, love this thread, if you couldn't tell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SacredOrderOfGreenMen Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 I know nothing about literature, but it seems to me that Arya's death was foreshadowed, and her arc is to seek vengeance and be a tragic figure. I suspect Jon will sacrifice himself in the end -- which, I think, many agree. :)Is it though? Think about her list: The list is distinctively compared to a prayer. It's a prayer that bad people will be given their justice desserts. Only three people on the list have died by her hand or influence, and only one directly. Twyin Lannister: dead because he was a bad fatherJoffrey: dead because he was a terrible king.Amory: death by bearCercei: will die because of the Valonqar (aka tragic villain figure)Polliver: killed by coincidence not design, and not by her directionWeese: killed by his dog At Harrenhall, Arya forgoes a chance to have Tywin killed in order to do something she thought would make her and her friends safer. This is fitting with her parallels to Cat: who preferred to accept bitter peace rather than fight the war.There are countless incidences where Arya displays the "pack mentality": loyalty to living friends is more important than vengeance upon enemies Arya's big problem with the FM is that what they sell is essentially vengeance. They say that when you ride off to get vengeance, dig a grave for yourself and a grave for your enemy.The second Faceless Man was granted vengeance on his master in return for his "life".The price they FM charge is "dear" but can always be paid: up to and including one's own life. When the KM explains how the first FM killed the slave to grant him "the gift" and thus was a just and natural thing, he asks Arya if she understands this. She says "yes" but he responds "You lie.""He should have killed the masters." The theme of vengeance is much less valuable to Arya than people believe that it is, and really results from shallow reading. I'm trying to find it but there's a pie graph out there that shows that less than 15% of Arya's thoughts are about vengeance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waylin Stark Posted September 21, 2014 Author Share Posted September 21, 2014 Tony in Avengers 2. Nobody ever dies in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Thor - Loki died ... oh no he didn't Avengers - Coulson died, oh no he didn't. Tony died ... oh no he didn't. Iron Man 3 - Pepper died ... oh no she didn't. Thor 2 - Loki died again ... oh no he didn't. Cap Am 2 - Bucky died ... oh no he didn't, Fury died ... oh no he didn't. Guardians - Groot died ... oh no he didn't. It's like the opposite of ASoIaF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kikajon Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 BenjenNOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!Rickon! You can take Rickon, so young, exposed to all sort of dangers and in an uncertain position in a dreadful predicamentPoor Rickon!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
How I Met Your Hodor Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 I'm reluctant to say any Starks are going to die but I think the most likely is Arya. I don't think there'll be any more Stark deaths until late in ADOS though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archmaester Drew Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Is it though? Think about her list: The list is distinctively compared to a prayer. It's a prayer that bad people will be given their justice desserts. Only three people on the list have died by her hand or influence, and only one directly. Twyin Lannister: dead because he was a bad fatherJoffrey: dead because he was a terrible king.Amory: death by bearCercei: will die because of the Valonqar (aka tragic villain figure)Polliver: killed by coincidence not design, and not by her directionWeese: killed by his dog At Harrenhall, Arya forgoes a chance to have Tywin killed in order to do something she thought would make her and her friends safer. This is fitting with her parallels to Cat: who preferred to accept bitter peace rather than fight the war.There are countless incidences where Arya displays the "pack mentality": loyalty to living friends is more important than vengeance upon enemies Arya's big problem with the FM is that what they sell is essentially vengeance. They say that when you ride off to get vengeance, dig a grave for yourself and a grave for your enemy.The second Faceless Man was granted vengeance on his master in return for his "life".The price they FM charge is "dear" but can always be paid: up to and including one's own life. When the KM explains how the first FM killed the slave to grant him "the gift" and thus was a just and natural thing, he asks Arya if she understands this. She says "yes" but he responds "You lie.""He should have killed the masters." The theme of vengeance is much less valuable to Arya than people believe that it is, and really results from shallow reading. I'm trying to find it but there's a pie graph out there that shows that less than 15% of Arya's thoughts are about vengeance. Well, you may be right, I generally read before I go to sleep and often not really as engaged as I would like to be. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pod The Impaler Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 "Choose the next dead Stark". No. If there's any justice in the world: Arya. You, sir, are worse than Hitler.[/simpsons] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qhorin Halfhand and Yoren Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 I consider Jon like Catelyn to come with an expiration date. That being said another Stark might die before him. I think it would be Arya or Sansa.Can't see Rickon dying. And while I find Bran unlikely, I am open to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Flandrensis Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Sansa. She is without a wolf, and alone, apart from any pack. All the other Starks still have a wolf who's alive. Nymeria is with a pack, and Arya is seeing her even from another continent. Sansa is the lone wolf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmrch Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 The next death we'll find out about is probably Benjen but he technically won't be the next dead Stark, he probably died before the RW. After that i'd say in order of likelihood Arya: this is almost certainRickon: he's been through so much pain and the effect its having on him is so clear, he's been set up to be a tragic figureJon: its impossible to make a prediction without knowing what happened with the attempted assassinationBran: not happeningSansa: not happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waylin Stark Posted September 21, 2014 Author Share Posted September 21, 2014 The next death we'll find out about is probably Benjen but he technically won't be the next dead Stark, he probably died before the RW. I can't believe I forgot all about Benjen.He's definitely dead already or he's gonna die in TWOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis's birthright Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Arya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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