Ramsay Gimp Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 I think he would have revealed Bolton's participation in the RW and helped the other Northern lords getting rid of him. Afterwards, when they are all exhausted because of the fighting, Tywin could have made the half- Stark- boy warden of the North. He said as much afaik. That was the plan, yes, but Roose is one slippery motherfucker and no doubt had plans of his own. He also has the advantage of being a Northman, and not a dwarf. A Bolton-Lannister conflict would have been awesome :devil: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 What extra power and influence? He had far more of that in the 20 years before they were married then he received after. Making his daughter the most powerful woman in Westeros is not a mark against his fatherhood. It is reaching to suggest it is. Because making Cersei mother of the next King would give him indirect control of such King. There was no guarantee that Rhaegar was going to make him Hand for the next 20 years again, but his grandson could have, which indeed happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Winter Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Ok, what's next? Randyll Tarly - just misunderstood?Victarion - a model husband?Craster - devoted family man?Walder Frey - good ally and true?Ramsay - not really a terrible person? About the topic itself - I'm baffled that anyone considers Tywin to be anything else other than awful father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Eddard- a selfless lord? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelittledragonthatcould Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Because making Cersei mother of the next King would give him indirect control of such King. There was no guarantee that Rhaegar was going to make him Hand for the next 20 years again, but his grandson could have, which indeed happened. How exactly did Tywin control Robert? Even Arryn could not control him, so I'm not sure how Tywin residing in the Westerlands could. The people on the small council were either Roberts or Jons appointments. As the Lord of the richest kingdom he would have a certain amount of influence, especially as he was loaning Robert more money than anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annara Snow Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Ok, what's next? Randyll Tarly - just misunderstood? Victarion - a model husband? Craster - devoted family man? Walder Frey - good ally and true? Ramsay - not really a terrible person? About the topic itself - I'm baffled that anyone considers Tywin to be anything else other than awful father. Gregor Clegane - a kind brother and model soldier King Joffrey - a great and just king Kraznys - a great example how it's possible to be a successful business AND a great humanitarian at the same time Queen Cersei - it's time someone gave her credit for putting all those poor bastard children out of their misery so they wouldn't have to suffer the Westerosi prejudice, which was done out of the pure kindness of her heart Rorge - unfairly maligned just because he's ugly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 How exactly did Tywin control Robert? Even Arryn could not control him, so I'm not sure how Tywin residing in the Westerlands could. The people on the small council were either Roberts or Jons appointments.As the Lord of the richest kingdom he would have a certain amount of influence, especially as he was loaning Robert more money than anyone else. How? There was a very obvious influence of the Lannisters in the court. Ned noticed that even Robert's squires were Lannisters, which was at the end, his doom. Jaime was also named Warden of the East, giving them control of the armies of both East and West. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 giving them control of the armies of both East and West. WHich is the reason why the Vale fought for King Joffry in the wotfk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 WHich is the reason why the Vale fought for King Joffry in the wotfk? There is no way Ned could have known what happened after that naming. Besides, Jaime was a prisoner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Damian Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 The organized gang rape of his teenage wife Tysha pretty much destroyed any parental decensy he might have acheived before and after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelittledragonthatcould Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 How? There was a very obvious influence of the Lannisters in the court. Ned noticed that even Robert's squires were Lannisters, which was at the end, his doom. Jaime was also named Warden of the East, giving them control of the armies of both East and West. Tywin served as a Page/squire for the Targarens. That was not down to a Lannister being married to Egg. Rich and influential Houses will have a presence at court and Tywin would have had that anyway, even without Cersei being married to the King. Jaime was a member of the Kingsguard and the Greatest swordsman alive. Him being made Warden was down to that rather than who his father is. Ned seems to have a bug up his ass about the Lannisters from the very start, even before Bran fell. He's hardly an unbiased POV when it comes to Lannister influence. Him complaining about two teenage squires is ridiculous. One of the reasons why he is such a poor Hand is that instead of doing his job he is actively looking for dirt on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A True Kaniggit Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Is that you Tywin? Are you starting threads again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Tywin wouldn't concern himself with the opinions of sheep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A True Kaniggit Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Tywin wouldn't concern himself with the opinions of sheep. You sir, are correct. Which Lannister do we know has a sense of humor? I think we finally discovered what Gerion Lannister has been doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crow's eye in the sky Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Ok, what's next? Randyll Tarly - just misunderstood? Victarion - a model husband? Craster - devoted family man? Walder Frey - good ally and true? Ramsay - not really a terrible person? About the topic itself - I'm baffled that anyone considers Tywin to be anything else other than awful father. Many of those have already been done friend. Gregor Clegane - a kind brother and model soldier King Joffrey - a great and just king Kraznys - a great example how it's possible to be a successful business AND a great humanitarian at the same time Queen Cersei - it's time someone gave her credit for putting all those poor bastard children out of their misery so they wouldn't have to suffer the Westerosi prejudice, which was done out of the pure kindness of her heart Rorge - unfairly maligned just because he's ugly I should add to the pile Jaime Lannister - not a bad father to his kids, heck he never disciplined them like his own dad would have. Robert Baratheon - What children? Gregor Clegane: You forgot the loving husband part, Snow. What was it, Three wives? Sandor Clegane: Believed by many delusional Sansapolegetics to be good husband and father material. http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/120312-sandor-clegane-would-make-a-good-father/ Petyr Baelish: Sure, he is a psychopath, but he is a great second father to Sansa (Will he pull a Craster and win the next father of the year award?) "Black Walder" Frey: Commited to family. Qyburn: Devoted to his research. Aerys II Targaryen: Despite openly entertaining the possibility of naming Rhaegar a traitor, he was a great husband and really loved Viserys. Aegon IV Targaryen: Planted the seeds of the Blackfyre Rebellion in more ways than one. Really loved Daemon, totally not an abusive husband. Balon Greyjoy: Didn't rebel again until Theon came back, and somehow this is good enough to overlook everything that happened afterwards between father and son. Euron Greyjoy: um ... honestly, I don't even know where to begin on this one. Some help please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invicticus Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Tywin went to war for him, did he not? Well, only because Tyrion was a Lannister, but that counts. He risked Robert's wrath, yet still fought for his beloved son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crow's eye in the sky Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Tywin went to war for him, did he not? Well, only because Tyrion was a Lannister, but that counts. He risked Robert's wrath, yet still fought for his beloved son. I'm not sure if Tywin had any fucks to give about Robert's wrath. As for fighting for Tyrion, its difficult for me to consider that as a good point for Tywin when he tried to use the war as a means to eliminate Tyrion (who he was was fighting the war for) as soon as he joined the battle. Tyrion was not meant to survive the Green Fork, no more than he was supposed to survive the Blackwater. Nice avatar btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 no more than he was supposed to survive the Blackwater. Elaborate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Elaborate. Oh come on, Mandon Moore trying to kill Tyrion was one of the major points of the battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Brandon Ice Eyes Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Tywin served as a Page/squire for the Targarens. That was not down to a Lannister being married to Egg. Rich and influential Houses will have a presence at court and Tywin would have had that anyway, even without Cersei being married to the King.Jaime was a member of the Kingsguard and the Greatest swordsman alive. Him being made Warden was down to that rather than who his father is.Ned seems to have a bug up his ass about the Lannisters from the very start, even before Bran fell. He's hardly an unbiased POV when it comes to Lannister influence. Him complaining about two teenage squires is ridiculous.One of the reasons why he is such a poor Hand is that instead of doing his job he is actively looking for dirt on them. I wonder why Ned was suspicious of the Lannister after such minor incidents like the sack of KL, the murder of Elia and her children and Jaime treating the murder of Aerys as a joke. Really, did you expect him to trust and like them? By that point anyway Ned was aware of a lot of stuff including Bran incident. Of course he would be digging dirt at the court seeing how he was led to believe correctly that Cersei was planning treason (he was wrong only about Jon Arryn's death). He was looking for dirt and there was dirt. And he proved to be correct about Lancel. He was the one who served the wine, didn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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