Lord Lannister Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Lyanna was Robert's version of the idealized woman inside his head. He was more fond of the -idea- of Lyanna than actually of her. As it's been mentioned, his engagement with her didn't stop him from sleeping around then, and I don't think if he married her it would've either. Robert Baratheon was pretty much destined to be unhappy in his marriage by his very nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Not Appearing Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Infatuation does not equal love.Robert's "love" certainly seems a lot like unrequited infatuation propped up by an arranged marriage and he's portrayed more like a stalker than a warrior-Romeo. That's why it's dismissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hear me bore Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 It's clear Robert loved her. The first thing he did in Winterfell was go visit the place she was buried; if all he did was lust for her, what the hell would that accomplish? For all the talk about her being different, Lyanna ends up falling for the pretty boy musician with pretty hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Not Appearing Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 She fell for the leader of the band instead of the jock. Either way she chose, you could circle back and call it lame. It's something to complain about when you'd really like to complain about something else.I'd also call it (I did call it) infatuation instead of lust. That explains his continued pining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Rhaegar was not some emo musician nor a delicate pretty face... If you haven't yet read TWOIAF... ...he wasn't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denam_Pavel Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Rhaegar and Robert are both adulteress idiots who spent weeks at best in her company. There's no true love to be had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faydra Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 That would be the mad king calling for his head. You make it sound as if this justifies starting a war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Of course they are not the same! Rhaegar was the perfect emo Prince Charming! His wife and children, the fact that he abandoned them and the fact that there were his actions who created the whole mess don't matter! He has a funny way of showing it by whoring up the country before, during, and after the war. It was not genuine.Because sex means that someone is incapable of love or doesn't love someone else? Sorry milord but :bs: Sex is simply sex, a great way to expel anxiety and stress and it's purely hormonal. Nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlmaid Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 By now he's more in love with the future he thinks he would have had with her - more of a symbol for the way he wanted things to turn out. I imagine the more his marriage to Cersei fell apart the more he thought of Lyanna as the Anti-Cersei and heavily idealised her and the marriage he thinks they would have had. Robert's continuous affection for Lyanna is one of the things that make me like him sometimes, although ultimately I think it was the shallow kind. Because sex means that someone is incapable of love or doesn't love someone else? Of course not. But it is a strong hint that Robert truly isn't the type to value any kind of abstinence, even in extreme situations. It's also a hint that Lyanna probably wasn't that far off about him.If the love of my life was in mortal danger, most likely being continuously raped in some desert tower I'd have other things to do than broaden my sexual horizon. And I don't buy the whole "It was simply to relieve some pressure" argument. He didn't simply keep one discreet camp follower he slept with regularly, no, he had to sleep with pretty much any woman he found along the way. That's not quenching some inevitable hunger, that's sampling every treat on buffet and loving every minute of it. At least that's what it looks like to me. :dunno: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen.Sansa.Lannister Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Robert didn't even truly know Lyanna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Because sex means that someone is incapable of love or doesn't love someone else? Sorry milord but :bs: Sex is simply sex, a great way to expel anxiety and stress and it's purely hormonal. Nothing more. There is a difference. Let's say my husband is in the hospital. On my way there, I have a car incident. While they fix them, I run to the nearest brothel to have some fun. It's disrespectful. And not, it's not a matter of opinion. I actually had a relative that was sick and dying. One of her children always excused herself away and to go to casinos because had a gambling problem. While everybody else was praying, crying and not sleeping taking care of the sick woman, she would say "it's because I'm so stressed: this is how I cope with it". Her mother died believing her daughter cared more about her own than her sake. Robert is the same. He was a compulsive sex addict, for what it looks like. That's how he coped with everything. He eluded situations with "fun", fun being sex, wine and hunting. Maybe it's not really his fault, but still, while the woman he claimed he loved was being raped, he was having his way with many women. I could have understood one woman. Or two. But apparently, he get to enjoy the whole brothel. Did he even care what Ned, Lyanna's brother, could have thought about it? That he could have thought "damn, my sister is being kept captive and Robert is here, having woman after woman?" Another thing that I find curious about it is that, it sounds to me, that he was indeed happy during the Rebellion because he was doing what he liked: fighting. So, it's not like "oh, I'm doing this because they hurt my Lyanna!". Lyanna was never his motivation. What moved him was fighting, sexing and drinking. And Lyanna was his reward, which at the end, he didn't have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Of course not. But it is a strong hint that Robert truly isn't the type to value any kind of abstinence, even in extreme situations. It's also a hint that Lyanna probably wasn't that far off about him. If the love of my life was in mortal danger, most likely being continuously raped in some desert tower I'd have other things to do than broaden my sexual horizon. Again. For you sex might be something more but this does mean that for everyone is the same. There are many people that use sex as a way to expel stress, anxiety and hormons. And I don't buy the whole "It was simply to relieve some pressure" argument. He didn't simply keep one discreet camp follower he slept with regularly, no, he had to sleep with pretty much any woman he found along the way. That's not quenching some inevitable hunger, that's sampling every treat on buffet and loving every minute of it. At least that's what it looks like to me. :dunno: So being honest about who you are is bad but being a greasy hypocrite is a good thing? Lol ok. Also having one follower isn't better at all. It's worse. snip So sex addicts cannot love because they have sex? Seriously? o Of course he was happier during the Rebellion than he was with Cersei. Heck even been thrown in a pit of vipers would be better than spending a night with Cersei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chebyshov Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Sexual monogamy does not indicate love, nor does polyamory indicate an inability to love. Robert's whoring is not what's suggestive about his "love" for Lyanna being delusional, but rather his complete lack of understanding/knowledge of her person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Sexual monogamy does not indicate love, nor does polyamory indicate an inability to love. Robert's whoring is not what's suggestive about his "love" for Lyanna being delusional, but rather his complete lack of understanding/knowledge of her person. Not really. You don't have to psychoanalyze someone in order to love him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Robert's whoring after the war was mainly due to Cersei. People should stop bashing Bobby for absurd reasons. Lyanna was not the angel people like to think. Bobby could have been a very good husband to her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chebyshov Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Not really. You don't have to psychoanalyze someone in order to love him. He didn't even know her personality ffs. I'm not saying he should have been able to write an essay on the nuances of her fears, anxieties, motivations, and passions. Did he want to fuck her? Yes. Was he infatuated? Yes. Did he love the idea of her? Yes. But he didn't really know her, at least not from what has been presented to us. Maybe he thought himself in love, but it seems more like obsession and delusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Gendry lacks the gift of Bobby which Edric seems to have inherited but even so, he and Arya were able to get to somewhere. That was a good chemistry. Lyanna was wrong to judge Robert like she did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 He didn't even know her personality ffs. I'm not saying he should have been able to write an essay on the nuances of her fears, anxieties, motivations, and passions. Did he want to fuck her? Yes. Was he infatuated? Yes. Did he love the idea of her? Yes. But he didn't really know her, at least not from what has been presented to us. Maybe he thought himself in love, but it seems more like obsession and delusion. If in his heart he was loving her, if in his mind he was loving her then I cannot see why he wasn't loving her. People happen to love someone without analyzing him. Robert's whoring after the war was mainly due to Cersei. People should stop bashing Bobby for absurd reasons. Lyanna was not the angel people like to think. Bobby could have been a very good husband to her. :agree: Lyanna was wrong to judge Robert like she did. http://imgur.com/WWOzg08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferocious Veldt Roarer Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Sexual monogamy does not indicate love, nor does polyamory indicate an inability to love. Robert's whoring is not what's suggestive about his "love" for Lyanna being delusional, but rather his complete lack of understanding/knowledge of her person. When a fella tries out every girl in the brothel, it isn't "polyamory", it's "fucking around". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kikajon Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 I think Robert loved her in his own way (A simple infatuation doesnt explain why he remembers her after 15 years and visits her tomb as his first act after reaching WF - how many of you all even remember crushes 15 years past?) . Rhaegar probably did too - he died with her name on his lips. The only one who probably was infatuated was Lyanna - with Rhaegar."normally" no one would remember a crush after 15 years... BUT, if your crush had disappeared, and you thought she had been abducted by your enemy, a son of a mad killer king, an abomination of a king against whom you are leading a rebellion...A question of life or death for you and everything you hold dear, ending with the mysterious death of your crush, the sister of your best friend that was crucial to help you win the war and the throne, well, I bet you would remember her for all your life and, especially if unhappily unmarried, never dismiss her as a crush. But Ned himself understood that Robert was in love with the idea he had of Lyanna, not with the real Lyanna.I think Cersei was a meek obeying wife compared with what Lyanna could have been.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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