[BOOK/SHOW SPOILERS] A certain scene in Winterfell

[Florina Laufeyson]

http://www.salon.com/2013/10/11/the_trouble_with_rape_revenge_heroism_partner/

As someone who worships at the altar of Tarantino, it’s difficult for me to criticize his work. That being said, “Kill Bill” falls into the same trap as have many films before it—that is, using rape as an emotional catalyst for a female hero’s journey. While sexual assault is worthy of in depth exploration on screen, these rape and revenge films do not depict the reality of how these assaults can affect women. Rather, they look to fetishize the act and use it as motivation for unabashed gore and violence. What should be empowering films featuring women rising out of past trauma to exact justice are often instead turned into a form of torture porn.

Posted in another thread, better put it here too.

:thumbsup:

Because rape=empowerment is one of the nastiest and sexist tropes going (honestly that has become my bloody mantra in the last half hour).

It truly is. and i really doubt GRRM would agree that this instance would be empowering to Sansa.

[Alayne's Shadow.]

If Sansa never EVER sleeps with Lf on the show, then I think I can live through it. Sure, I'll never see the show again and I'm scared of what I might dream tonight, but I'll live.

[JonCon's Red Beard]

Well, I mean she went to Winterfell in the first place based on the promise of revenge. She never bought into the Boltons for even a second, and was always biding her time. I don't think THAT has changed her motivations at all. I think THAT has just sped up the timeline.

Yeah, that's my point. Because SHE was hurt. She, as an individual, not the Starks as a whole. It's very ambiguous.

[Shags the Dog]

Not going to lie, this is one of the times in my life where I feel most jaded. You spend too much energy in reading 4,7000 pages and have the dignity of your favorite character utterly destroyed. I think I'm going to cry for a few hours.

[Gertrude]

Ugh. You've all said it before me and said it better. A goth look, smirks at dinner-time and a sharp tone with Myranda do not an empowered heroine make. So, so fucking tired of Sansa the victim. I knew it was probably coming, thought I'd wait to see how they played it out before judging, and then I watched it. Fuck this storyline.

[Gertrude]

dp

But let me say it again.

Fuck this storyline.

[LordPathera]

Well I'm done.

Sansa's character arc up till now was just for preparing her to be Ramsey newest toy?

[JonCon's Red Beard]

And speaking of storytelling, didn't she "learned" last season that she could have LF eating from her hands if she had wanted to? Because, after all, LF is a political player who had little value. Sansa is SANSA STARK. She has more power than him despite she's just a young girl. You don't need to be a political genius to know that. She only needed to tell some Lord that LF killed both Lysa and Jon Arryn and LF would have been killed on his bed and KL would be next hearing that he was murdered on his way there while the Vale kept Sansa hidden forever. In fact, LF was probably very aware that she had the power to do that: that's what the last scene of them IMPLIED.

But no. Apparently, Sansa is now the idiot. Because she forgot she has the power there, and she HAD to do as LF did for no given reason except "having revenge", because she thought somehow that being alone with the guys who are known for flaying people and whose Lord is one who stabbed his own King on the back would be a great idea because "fuck yeah, I have a dark sexy dress with empowering jewellery so I'm strong, bitches!". What's the point of realising you can manipulate a guy if you're going to do as he wants at the end?

Who was the idiot who wrote this?

[Florina Laufeyson]

Not going to lie, this is one of the times in my life where I feel most jaded. You spend too much energy in reading 4,7000 pages and have the dignity of your favorite character utterly destroyed. I think I'm going to cry for a few hours.

I already have been crying for a few hours. I feel so drained.

:grouphug:

Lets all go back to the cinema and watch Mad Max Fury Road.

[LordPathera]

Accident Double-post

[Lady Lovisa]

Not going to lie, this is one of the times in my life where I feel most jaded. You spend too much energy in reading 4,7000 pages and have the dignity of your favorite character utterly destroyed. I think I'm going to cry for a few hours.

I already have been crying for a few hours. I feel so drained.

:grouphug:

Lets all go back to the cinema and watch Mad Max Fury Road.

Sigh, this is why I love the forums. My Unsullied friends won't understand :grouphug:

BRB, mopping the tears on my floor.

[Winter Blues]

I'm not particularly thrilled with the way this show is done, but I often have to step back and remember: this is entertainment. As the fan popularity grew with the show, The opposite happened with the quality. Big, synthetic scenes, like Sansa's tonight, are, sadly, not viewed through critical lenses (as you folks on the board do so damn well). It's okay to torture a major character, and finally have her sadistically raped on her wedding night because, hey: people care about this character because she suffered so much. Idiots without an ounce of critical thinking will praise her when she comes up, strong, and kick some ass.

A majority of the viewers are incapable of seeing this madness as a sad trope in the development of female characters in pop culture. There was NO ORIGINALITY! There is little to no real artistic quality in this show, anymore. They're too focused on wowing and shocking people who read Entertainment Weekly to care.

[Winter Blues]

Ill keep watching, because it's really the only thing I have time to watch, but I'm not excited about it.

[JonCon's Red Beard]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND....

Wasn't Sansa already some other maniac idiot's plaything?

Because, here is another cliche for you... Bad people do not change. Did D&D forgot that too?

So, Sansa spent time being Joffrey's target of torture and despite all the humiliations she agreed to be paired to a second monster because Littlefinger told her she could change him? Just like Joffrey changed, right? Just like all of those men who beat and mistreat their wives change after they try to appeal their "soft side", right? Because, when a men is dangerously violent we should try to "win" him.

IS ANY PART OF THIS STORYLINE NOT OFFENSIVE???

[Another Locust]

I've got nothing to say. Words can't describe how pissed I am. My mind is blank.

[Alayne's Shadow.]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND....

Didn't Sansa was actually already some other maniac idiot's plaything?

Because, here is another cliche for you... Bad people do not change. Did D&D forgot that too?

So, Sansa spent time being Joffrey's target of torture and despite all the humiliations she agreed to be paired to a second monster because Littlefinger told her she could change him? Just like Joffrey changed, right? Just like all of those men who beat and mistreat their wives change after they try to appeal their "soft side", right? Because, when a men is dangerously violent we should try to "win" him.

IS ANY PART OF THIS STORYLINE NOT OFFENSIVE???

I'M AFRAID NOT. I'M TRYING TO SLEEP AND I STILL HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO.

[Pies are coming]

EW just posted an interview that Sophie did this weekend about episode 6 on their website and hour or two ago. Basically, she talks about how she "loved the horrific scene", which I found a bit odd, but maybe she knows something we don't. Anyway, near the end, she mentions Ramsay and how the remainder of the season is Sansa "attempting to read into his intentions and trying to please him"...something along those lines. I would post the link but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to. Thoughts?

Because Sophie Turner is an actress. She acts. It's not like she was raped.

As for the storyline, it doesn't really advance nor reveals anything with this. There is still the question of whether she'll try to extract revenge or if she's just going to carbon copy Jeyne' storyline and end up as Stannis' pawn.

[Elba the Intoner]

And speaking of storytelling, didn't she "learned" last season that she could have LF eating from her hands if she had wanted to? Because, after all, LF is a political player who had little value. Sansa is SANSA STARK. She has more power than him despite she's just a young girl. You don't need to be a political genius to know that. She only needed to tell some Lord that LF killed both Lysa and Jon Arryn and LF would have been killed on his bed and KL would be next hearing that he was murdered on his way there while the Vale kept Sansa hidden forever. In fact, LF was probably very aware that she had the power to do that: that's what the last scene of them IMPLIED.

But no. Apparently, Sansa is now the idiot. Because she forgot she has the power there, and she HAD to do as LF did for no given reason except "having revenge", because she thought somehow that being alone with the guys who are known for flaying people and whose Lord is one who stabbed his own King on the back would be a great idea because "fuck yeah, I have a dark sexy dress with empowering jewellery so I'm strong, bitches!". What's the point of realising you can manipulate a guy if you're going to do as he wants at the end?

Who was the idiot who wrote this?

The problem is that D&D have chosen to make every storyline apparently into being about REVENGE! That's why they have created this ridiculous plot with Sansa, and of course choosing to expand the minor characters of the Sand Snakes and make them all about REVENGE, when they were never intended to be the main point of the Dorne storyline. That sand snake fight was the most cheesy ridiculous looking thing I have seen on prime time TV. I thought I was watching the Power Rangers. Literally, that fight was the same as if I had been watching one of my son's Power Rangers videos.

[Pies are coming]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND....

Wasn't Sansa already some other maniac idiot's plaything?

Because, here is another cliche for you... Bad people do not change. Did D&D forgot that too?

So, Sansa spent time being Joffrey's target of torture and despite all the humiliations she agreed to be paired to a second monster because Littlefinger told her she could change him? Just like Joffrey changed, right? Just like all of those men who beat and mistreat their wives change after they try to appeal their "soft side", right? Because, when a men is dangerously violent we should try to "win" him.

IS ANY PART OF THIS STORYLINE NOT OFFENSIVE???

Try to tell that to any Sansan shipper

[NymeriaWarriorQueen]

Was expecting a more darker scene. That was only an entry level rape scene that many films already made more darker.

I hope it doesn't continue next week.