The Wolves Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Illyrio says in GoT that Jorah has been anointed in the light of the seven - implying that he follows the seven. Does House Mormont follow the new gods rather then the old - unlike the rest of the North - did Jorah convert (perhaps as a result of his marriage) or is Ilyrio trying to bind Jorah to Dany's cause? House Mormont follows the old gods. And I think Jorah was just using the seven to be knighted I don't remember anything about him being a follower of the seven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spoon89 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 House Mormont follows the old gods. And I think Jorah was just using the seven to be knighted I don't remember anything about him being a follower of the seven. In the north, knighthoods are rare outside of the houses that are "more southern" (read as Manderly) but they are not unknown, and there are a few knights in the north which were anointed but that do not actively worship the seven, Ser Bartimus (whom is a sworn to house Manderly) happens to be one. So it's possible he may be anointed but not actively worship the seven. There is also the possibility that Rickard Stark was a knight, since gilded spurs are generally recognized as a status symbol of knighthood and Jamie mentioned the gold melting off his spurs. Late addition: Ser Rodrik Cassel is a northern knight also, but he slipped my mind. He swears by and makes mention of the gods. Other characters swear by the seven, or make mention of the seven. So he too may be a anointed knight that does not worship the seven (and house Cassel is a northern house). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avlonnic Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 In the north, knighthoods are rare outside of the houses that are "more southern" (read as Manderly) but they are not unknown, and there are a few knights in the north which were anointed but that do not actively worship the seven, Ser Bartimus (whom is a sworn to house Manderly) happens to be one. So it's possible he may be anointed but not actively worship the seven. There is also the possibility that Rickard Stark was a knight, since gilded spurs are generally recognized as a status symbol of knighthood and Jamie mentioned the gold melting off his spurs. Nice catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted July 27, 2015 Author Share Posted July 27, 2015 There is also the possibility that Rickard Stark was a knight, since gilded spurs are generally recognized as a status symbol of knighthood and Jamie mentioned the gold melting off his spurs. I remember that thread. Important to remember is that, while all knights wear spurs, not all who wear sours have to be knights. Rickard was a wealthy man, and the golden spurs could have Bern a display of wealth. In addition, Rickard was on his way to a wedding, and most likely did not travel with his armor. Why would he? He was going to a wedding, not a war. So the armor he died in might have been Hoster Tully's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spoon89 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 I remember that thread. Important to remember is that, while all knights wear spurs, not all who wear sours have to be knights. Rickard was a wealthy man, and the golden spurs could have Bern a display of wealth. In addition, Rickard was on his way to a wedding, and most likely did not travel with his armor. Why would he? He was going to a wedding, not a war. So the armor he died in might have been Hoster Tully's. Spurs are not unusual in and of themselves, they are common items that any horseman is going to have. Historically, silvered spurs are the mark of a squire (Joffrey gets a set as a wedding present) and gilded spurs are the mark of a knight. Throughout the books gilded spurs are only mentioned in association with knights, except for the the sole mention of them in Lord Stark's trial by combat, by Jamie. <shrug> It's difficult to determine whom is a knight and whom is not, (like in Rickard's case) since anyone of station greater than a knight, that is a knight would be referred to by their title and not Ser. Armor is fitted to the person to wear it, especially plate armors (which he was wearing when he requested the trial by combat). Note the difficulty that characters (Jorah comes to mind) have assembling piecemeal armor (Tyrion is another examples, but has the unusual build) and Robert got too fat for his armor (plate armor once again). Personally I don't see a fighting man traveling a long distance without their armor. They wouldn't necessarily wear it outside of times when combat is anticipated or on duty (such as sworn swords escorting people) but it would be in their luggage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 I think Rickard would have had his armor (and Ice) with him. High Lords like that travel with squires and a baggage train and it's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it. House Mormont follows the old gods. Are we sure about this? I seem to remember it was unclear what faith Jeor followed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Are we sure about this? I seem to remember it was unclear what faith Jeor followed. Jeor did tell Jon that his father also said that you can't lie in front of a heart tree and in the chapter Robb is declared King when Robb and his bannermen are praying in front of the Heart tree Maege Mormont was one of the bannermen praying with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan slayer of hot pies Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 During Tyrion's trail in ASOS the Mountain had the seven pointed star painted on his shield. but due to the fight the paint started coming off. the qute "Gregor's big wooden shield took its share of hits as well, until the dog's head peeped out from under the star" could this foreshadow Sandor's return from the Quiet island? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 ^You just made my day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 During Tyrion's trail in ASOS the Mountain had the seven pointed star painted on his shield. but due to the fight the paint started coming off. the qute "Gregor's big wooden shield took its share of hits as well, until the dog's head peeped out from under the star" could this foreshadow Sandor's return from the Quiet island?From Moments of Foreshadowing 10... Ser Osmund Kettleblack brought Clegane his shield, a massive thing of heavy oak rimmed in black iron. As the Mountain slid his left arm through the straps, Tyrion saw that the hounds of Clegane had been painted over. This morning Ser Gregor bore the seven-pointed star the Andals had brought to Westeros when they crossed the narrow sea to overwhelm the First Men and their gods. Tyrion X, Storm Gregor's big wooden shield took its share of hits as well, until a dog's head peeped out from under the star, and elsewhere the raw oak showed through. The gravedigger on the Quiet Isle is Sandor. Sooner or later, he will be revealed. The following foreshadowing was resolved by the end of the chapter... The outer ward had been chosen for the combat. Tyrion had to skip and run to keep up with Prince Oberyn's long strides. The snake is eager, he thought. Let us hope he is venomous as well. The day was grey and windy. The sun was struggling to break through the clouds, but Tyrion could no more have said who was going to win that fight than the one on which his life depended. Tyrion X, Storm Too bad Tyrion hadn't read any of Martin's works; if he had, he would have noted that his champion was foreshadowed to fall, and he could have confessed and taken the black! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VicAndTheSquidSquad Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 I've read the the five books of the song of ice and fire. I'm currently reading the world of ice and fire and the d&e stories (hedge knight, sworn sword, mystery knight). Are there any books/novellas I'm missing? / What are they about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ McLannister Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 In the Jon chapter of GoT right after Ned is arrested, the Old Bear mentions knowing Pycelle, Selmy and Stannis "from his youth." What is he talking about? Do we have any idea why he would know any of these guys? -Selmy certainly seems possible. Their ages are close enough that they may have fought together some time or met at tourneys. The War of the Ninepenny Kings would be reasonable, but that was a long way from Bear Island. -How would he know Pycelle? I can't really think of any reason the two would have met in person. It's likely that his regular communications with the crown would pass through Pycelle's hands, but that doesn't seem like enough to develop a personal relationship. I suppose he may have personally visited KL at some point on behalf of the Night's Watch, but even then Pycelle seems like an odd chum. -Stannis doesn't really make any sense. By the time of Robert's Rebellion, was Mormont already on the wall? Stannis was Master of Ships, but that wouldn't put him in contact with the Night's Watch for any reason I can think of. I'm not claiming any broad conspiracy here. I'm just wondering if anything else come up anywhere to explain this line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 I've read the the five books of the song of ice and fire. I'm currently reading the world of ice and fire and the d&e stories (hedge knight, sworn sword, mystery knight). Are there any books/novellas I'm missing? / What are they about?The Princess and the Queen and The Rogue Prince. Those novellas are about the Dance of the Dragons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Past wars and possibly tourneys or weddings, that sort of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fossoway Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 In the Jon chapter of GoT right after Ned is arrested, the Old Bear mentions knowing Pycelle, Selmy and Stannis "from his youth." What is he talking about? Do we have any idea why he would know any of these guys? -Selmy certainly seems possible. Their ages are close enough that they may have fought together some time or met at tourneys. The War of the Ninepenny Kings would be reasonable, but that was a long way from Bear Island. -How would he know Pycelle? I can't really think of any reason the two would have met in person. It's likely that his regular communications with the crown would pass through Pycelle's hands, but that doesn't seem like enough to develop a personal relationship. I suppose he may have personally visited KL at some point on behalf of the Night's Watch, but even then Pycelle seems like an odd chum. -Stannis doesn't really make any sense. By the time of Robert's Rebellion, was Mormont already on the wall? Stannis was Master of Ships, but that wouldn't put him in contact with the Night's Watch for any reason I can think of. I'm not claiming any broad conspiracy here. I'm just wondering if anything else come up anywhere to explain this line. Only especulation here, but being Jeor the head of a prominent northern House for, I estimate, quite a long time, it would be logical that he at least once went to King´s Landing and was welcomed in court, where he could have met Pycelle. I agree on Selmy. Stannis seems a little weird but hey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spoon89 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Stannis probably would have to do with him being Master of Ships. The Watch does maintain a small fleet and East Watch is the northern most port on the Narrow Sea. Historically there have been problems with shipping (false beacons, smuggling and piracy) which all fall under the purview of the Master of Ships. If the watch lost ships, contracted shipments or heard word or observed events or details, they would likely have some sort of interaction. It's also possible that some of the Watch's ship may be given to them by the crown, either captured or ships that were deemed of no use to the royal fleet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Criston of House Shapper Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 He may have met Stannis as a boy, going to some tourney near Storm's End or treating with Steffon about whatever or something like that. If I'm not mistaken, he joined the watch right before the outbreak of Robert's Rebellion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted July 27, 2015 Author Share Posted July 27, 2015 He may have met Stannis as a boy, going to some tourney near Storm's End or treating with Steffon about whatever or something like that. If I'm not mistaken, he joined the watch right before the outbreak of Robert's Rebellion. It is never specified when he joined. We know for certainty that Jorah fought at the Trident, but we know nothing about Jeor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 It is never specified when he joined. We know for certainty that Jorah fought at the Trident, but we know nothing about Jeor.If Jeor was in Eddard's van, that would explain how he knew all of them in his youth, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted July 27, 2015 Author Share Posted July 27, 2015 If Jeor was in Eddard's van, that would explain how he knew all of them in his youth, no? Selmy at the Trident, Pycelle at KL, Stannis when lifting the siege.. So possibly, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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