nyser1 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 With Kevan dead, would Mace Tyrell (as hand) be de facto ruler? This is taking into account Tommen being underage and Cersei being a prisoner of the faith (although not technically imprisoned). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 [spoiler] We know from Mercy that she will likely win her trial. She will be in charge again [/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selena Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 The small council should be ruling but I would not be surprised that Cersie takes (or has taken) back power at some point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caspoi Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 JonCon's Red Beard@ One thing that I have not understood is why people say that this is proof of Cersei being back in power, couldn't Swyft be a little late on the news? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Caspoi, 1 of the guards mentions returning to KL with failure would mean the queens wrath, or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of the West Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 [spoiler] We know from Mercy that she will likely win her trial. She will be in charge again [/spoiler] I find it more than hilarious that the Tyrells will allow her to take power again. I will need to see how GRRM explains it before I make further comments on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 I find it more than hilarious that the Tyrells will allow her to take power again. I will need to see how GRRM explains it before I make further comments on it. Whoever gets their hands on Tommen first gains the power. That was the thing Renly suggested to Ned. That was how Bloodraven was so powerful. Aerys could not see anyone without the leave of Bloodraven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Cersei spends all her time with Tommen, and Tommen stamps his seal on anything put in front of him. Cersei will get a royal decree putting her back in power almost instantly, and the small council will go along with it in the beginning because they will not want it to appear that they are hostile towards each other, they have to at least appear to work together. They will also think that she will have no real power and giving her the title wont matter. However Cersei will use her time wisely, Kevin brought men to KL that will now be hers, the Mountains men just returned to the city and they will now be hers as well. When she wins her trial by combat, and has Tommen in her own control and is surrounded by her own guards her power will start to come back. At the same time as this happens Margery may loose her trial and or the Tyrells will send a significant portion of their force to Storms End to face Aegon, weakening them. If Euron achieves any victory in the Reach that will be a disaster for the Tyrells because they have too many fronts they have to fight on and if Mace has to return to High garden they will essentially loose all power in KL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRANDON GREYSTARK Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Mace and Randyll . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caspoi Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 ayagonnakill#2@ Yes but how do we know that he is up to date with his information? What if he simply assumes that the queen is still in power instead of having received information about her fall and rise to power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Because Harys Swyft did not leave until after Kevins death, which is well after Cersei's humiliation and removal from power. For him to refer to her as queen and for him to expect her to be able to punish Harys Swyft means something happened in the capitol before they left for Bravos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caspoi Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Ah, now I see. I thought that he had left earlier, while she was still in power. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of the West Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Whoever gets their hands on Tommen first gains the power. That was the thing Renly suggested to Ned. That was how Bloodraven was so powerful. Aerys could not see anyone without the leave of Bloodraven. See below for full comment. Cersei spends all her time with Tommen, and Tommen stamps his seal on anything put in front of him. Cersei will get a royal decree putting her back in power almost instantly, and the small council will go along with it in the beginning because they will not want it to appear that they are hostile towards each other, they have to at least appear to work together. They will also think that she will have no real power and giving her the title wont matter. However Cersei will use her time wisely, Kevin brought men to KL that will now be hers, the Mountains men just returned to the city and they will now be hers as well. When she wins her trial by combat, and has Tommen in her own control and is surrounded by her own guards her power will start to come back. At the same time as this happens Margery may loose her trial and or the Tyrells will send a significant portion of their force to Storms End to face Aegon, weakening them. If Euron achieves any victory in the Reach that will be a disaster for the Tyrells because they have too many fronts they have to fight on and if Mace has to return to High garden they will essentially loose all power in KL. And I mean that Tommen's education into becoming a puppet is exactly what would work against Cersei. All some Tyrell man would need to do is put a document saying that the Tyrell party holds all important positons and ban Cersei from seeing Tommen and he would stamp it right away. There is no difficulty involved in separating Tommen and Cersei with a shred of initiative on the Tyrell side and a vague resemblance of determination. And the idea that the Tyrells will give power to Cersei seems very un-Tyrell to me. They are graspers and I don't see them letting go of any power they can have volunteerly. Mace and Randyll . Let's hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferocious Veldt Roarer Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Right now, it's obviously Hand of the King, Lord Tyrell. Seriously, who else? That's what Hand is for. And after the trials, we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Tiger Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 I find it more than hilarious that the Tyrells will allow her to take power again. I will need to see how GRRM explains it before I make further comments on it. Indeed, the idea of the Tyrells giving power to a nutjob like Cersei after they've just gotten it all is absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasporio Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Maybe its Olenna's plan to let Cersei in charge. In a month king's landing would be a quagmire of mayhem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonsmurf Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Anyone else thinking there won't be a trial for Cersei at all? I mean, why would she agree to that now that she has been released? She could easily fix a royal decree stating that the Faith doesn't have any "wordly" power such as being able to judge and punish. The small folk won't be happy perhaps, but hey, the crown and the Tyrells have the armies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasporio Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 the faith still have many thousands troops in KL. Civil war maybe ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmrch Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Its gotta be Cersei. The f(Aegon)/JonCon storyline dictates that the crown be extremely vulnerable so they can take the IT with relative ease. THe Tyrells are too politically competent, if they did come into full power they would consolidate Tommen's hold on the crown really quickly. Cersei on the other hand will complete her destruction of KL and her son's grip on the IT, at which point the Tyrells and The Faith flip over to Aegon. And just as he's about to take KL Cersei will try to burn it down with wildfire and somehow Jaime atleast tries to stop her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonsmurf Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 the faith still have many thousands troops in KL. Civil war maybe ? Does the Faith really have that many? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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