JLE Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I believe that Stannis will himself be the one that goes into the fire. Benioff and Weiskopf hinted that George had told them about "this" in reference to the Stannis burning Shireen scene. I can see the first part of that scene being set up, Melisandre persuading Stannis to tie Shireen to the pyre, and either him or her being ready with torch in hand... BUT then a "No, I will not do this thing" to follow. Certainly it will not, CANNOT happen as part of the battle against the Boltons - the Boltons are merely human enemies, Stannis would sacrifice his own daughter to beat them. In any case Shireen is not even with Stannis now, and he cannot ever meet her again unless he drives the Boltons from Winterfell: he cannot retreat back to the Wall the way he came, through the woods by way of the Mountain Clans and Deepwood Motte, and he cannot even reach the kingsroad (which is itself probably blocked, though maybe less badly than the snowbound woods) without capturing Winterfell, nor can Melisandre and Shireen come south. But I do genuinely believe that GRRM intends for Shireen and Stannis to meet again - which means that it MUST be Stannis who beats the Boltons. Even if Ramsay (and possibly Roose) escape and head for the Dreadfort, or maybe Barrowton, to come back with reinforcements. in any case, the result is that if Stannis is ever to meet Shireen again, the Boltons will have been driven from Winterfell by Stannis. They may retake it if Stannis dashes north to the Wall after hearing of Jon's murder and learning that there is effectively nobody guarding the Wall any more: or the Wall itself may fall, or Stannis's family be driven from it by either watch or wildlings, and come as refugees in either case to Winterfell, and meet him there. But once in Winterfell, the battle will be against the Others and the walking dead - a more fitting occasion for the question of whether or not to sacrifice one's own daughter. And also a possible occasion in which Stannis might decide that the one to be sacrificed is not his daughter, but himself: according to the Northern custom, whereby it is the old who die (usually by "going out hunting" and not returning - or indeed, taking the black) in order that the young may survive to keep the family, the clan and the community going. (The same sacrifice that, I believe, is currently being made by Hother Umber's faction of greybeards in House Umber - leaving their homeland, where they did not have enough men to gather in the last harvest and as a consequence there will be famine at Last Hearth, to allow the younger generation of House Umber to survive under a few old greybeards led by Mors, while Hothers men go away to die - and, in the process, turn it to their advantage by eating the Boltons' stores, contributing towards slowly starving the hated Boltons in Winterfell, weakening them so that they will be more easily driven out later.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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