Ruhail Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Bbbbut...but Condensing, time....money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Just now, Ruhail said: Bbbbut...but Condensing, time....money Yeah. But if we think about all the new storylines and characters, it seems a bit premature to be talking about "contracting" in Westeros 2. And no, I'll never get over "Westeros 2". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neds Secret Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 11 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said: Yeah. But if we think about all the new storylines and characters, it seems a bit premature to be talking about "contracting" in Westeros 2. And no, I'll never get over "Westeros 2". Westeros 2, 2 swords, 2 personalities per character! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Just now, Neds Secret said: Westeros 2, 2 swords, 2 personalities per character! At least two! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 It seems this guy hasn't read the books, but some of his rants about the show are spot on. http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/i-cant-stand-bloody-game-of-bloody-thrones/news-story/4e24004471611e12fe897b9100eaca4b GoT’s reliance on flesh furnishings may come straight from the book — heck, it could come from documented Ancient Roman history for all I care. But in a television show, over-reliance on the carnal always comes across as unimaginative, and even a little insecure — as if the creators don’t have enough faith in the story they’re telling and feel the need to maintain the show’s “explicit” reputation. Though at the same time, considering how boring many of the conversations are, I understand the temptation to play them sans costuming or mid-intercourse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsunray Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 10 hours ago, kissdbyfire said: Right? There's just so much in that interview, it's hard to pick the "best" bits. This is another one I like very much:. Also, of course, fans are really not going to know what’s coming… Which is scary, but exciting. It was the hardest season to write for that very reason. While we’re still drawing from a lot of situations and arcs in the books, it’s obviously not a direct adaptation of any of the books this year. I will say you’ll see character versions and interpretations that are in some of the previous books that we hadn’t gotten to yet. I think of it as Westeros 2 – the alternate universe version of Westeros. There’s the book universe and a show universe and this is what happens in the show universe. I'm at a loss for words, "alternate universe" and "Westeros 2"... Huh? Also, I'm expecting that, if the show gets criticised, someone will blame Martin. Any takers? What amazes me is that they basically declare they'er making an alt-trollfic as if it's the most normal thig in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scabbard Of the Morning Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 34 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said: It seems this guy hasn't read the books, but some of his rants about the show are spot on. http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/i-cant-stand-bloody-game-of-bloody-thrones/news-story/4e24004471611e12fe897b9100eaca4b GoT’s reliance on flesh furnishings may come straight from the book — heck, it could come from documented Ancient Roman history for all I care. But in a television show, over-reliance on the carnal always comes across as unimaginative, and even a little insecure — as if the creators don’t have enough faith in the story they’re telling and feel the need to maintain the show’s “explicit” reputation. It's not an "as if", it's absolutely the case, D&D are hacks, and the need to be "edgy" and "shocking" and manufacturing "drama" comes from their inability to tell a good story, cheap thrills is all that's on offer because the meaningful stuff is beyond them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 2 minutes ago, sweetsunray said: What amazes me is that they basically declare they'er making an alt-trollfic as if it's the most normal thig in the world. Well, what else can they say? And it's not just the fact that GoT is considered fanfic at this point by many book fans, but they know TWoW is not far and maybe they've decided to change strategy. You know, the strategy of saying, "when Martin told us this" to hide behind the author's back. Or the strategy of saying that "they know the end", that now has changed to "Martin only gave us a vague outline. So if anything gets criticised, now it's not because "Martin told them 'this'" but rather because he didn't. 1 minute ago, The Scabbard Of the Morning said: It's not an "as if", it's absolutely the case, D&D are hacks, and the need to be "edgy" and "shocking" and manufacturing "drama" comes from their inability to tell a good story, cheap thrills is all that's on offer because the meaningful stuff is beyond them. Sure. But it's nice to see someone, anyone, calling them out on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsunray Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 1 hour ago, kissdbyfire said: http://www.ew.com/article/2016/04/20/game-thrones-season-6-interview (it's the one we quoted yesterday) "Seasons 2–4 were about the expansion of this world; seasons 5 and 6 are about contracting." But ibtimes sees it differently... http://www.ibtimes.com/game-thrones-season-6-spoilers-new-characters-confirmed-hbo-dramas-2016-return-2356838 As if “Game of Thrones” wasn’t complicated enough, Season 6 will add to the already complex list of characters by expanding the world even further and introducing new faces. Yup, contracting story... I guess that is why we have twice a battle for WF (which was supposed to be just one), and why you had Larry dally off to Porne. It's also why you keep conflating Mercy, Ugly Girl, Blind Beth and Cat of the Canals into one but then repeat it over and over. S5 and S6 appear to be Ground Hog Day with iterations, a never ending loop of the same, only varied because of fuzzy logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Cygne Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 3 hours ago, kissdbyfire said: I think the bit about this season not being as dark as s 5 was just b/c so many people were turned off by last season. He's being disingenuous again. Oh yeah, definitely, I was just saying, how easy it is to smack that down, too. And there's more, Dany gets whipped and who knows what else, and Arya is blind and beaten. And so called rebuilding their lives means revenge to them, and revenge is a dark thing, too. Odd that they missed that. To them, revenge is nirvana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Cygne Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 7 hours ago, A Ghost of Someone said: Tyrion will get Shae 2.0, they will take care of the Imp. If there's one thing we can count on, it's that the sainted one always receives the utmost care. They do lurve the Imp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBeck113 Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 To them, dark means little light in the images, and has nothing to do with the themes - you have to understand that themes exist first, then you can describe them too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Cygne Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Oh, and he talks about being part of something that won't be forgotten, but it will, because there's no depth, no meaning. Faulkner put it well in his speech, but well, let's use their own words, nothing is just nothing. This show is the new Lost, and I don't see many talking about that anymore. Sound and fury, signifying nothing. Quote Because of this, the young man or woman writing today has forgotten the problems of the human heart in conflict with itself which alone can make good writing because only that is worth writing about, worth the agony and the sweat. He must learn them again. He must teach himself that the basest of all things is to be afraid; and, teaching himself that, forget it forever, leaving no room in his workshop for anything but the old verities and truths of the heart, the old universal truths lacking which any story is ephemeral and doomed - love and honor and pity and pride and compassion and sacrifice. Until he does so, he labors under a curse. He writes not of love but of lust, of defeats in which nobody loses anything of value, of victories without hope and, worst of all, without pity or compassion. His griefs grieve on no universal bones, leaving no scars. He writes not of the heart but of the glands. http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/literature/laureates/1949/faulkner-speech.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 27 minutes ago, Le Cygne said: Oh, and he talks about being part of something that won't be forgotten, but it will, because there's no depth, no meaning. Faulkner put it well in his speech, but well, let's use their own words, nothing is just nothing. This show is the new Lost, and I don't see many talking about that anymore. Sound and fury, signifying nothing. http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/literature/laureates/1949/faulkner-speech.html This. But I think Mr Benioff and Mr Weiss have a slightly warped (or is it just oversimplified?) interpretation of what Faulkner said. This is from the LA premiere this this, where Veronica Belmont interviewed many cast members and Mr Benioff and Mr Weiss. The video can be found here: http://www.westeros.org/GoT/News/Entry/Secrecy_shrouded_Season_6_Premiere The bit I'm talking about is at ~ 43,50' Mr Benioff: "On the other hand, we love Jason Momoa, and we had to kill him. So, ultimately, you have to kill who you have to kill." Veronica Belmont - "You have to kill who you love, I mean, that's the way of the world." Mr Benioff: "That's what Faulkner said, right? So." Maybe he's not referring to the speech you quoted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fattest Leech Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 2 hours ago, kissdbyfire said: http://www.ew.com/article/2016/04/20/game-thrones-season-6-interview (it's the one we quoted yesterday) "Seasons 2–4 were about the expansion of this world; seasons 5 and 6 are about contracting." But ibtimes sees it differently... http://www.ibtimes.com/game-thrones-season-6-spoilers-new-characters-confirmed-hbo-dramas-2016-return-2356838 As if “Game of Thrones” wasn’t complicated enough, Season 6 will add to the already complex list of characters by expanding the world even further and introducing new faces. Waaaiit a minute! Stop everything. They are adding new characters I've never seen before and am now supposed to care about these newbies, but we couldn't have Jeyne Poole back because we wouldn't care for her because she hadn't been onscreen for a few seasons??? I guess that makes sense in an alternate universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 3 minutes ago, The Fattest Leech said: Waaaiit a minute! Stop everything. They are adding new characters I've never seen before and am now supposed to care about these newbies, but we couldn't have Jeyne Poole back because we wouldn't care for her because she hadn't been onscreen for a few seasons??? I guess that makes sense in an alternate universe. Well, there's Euron, but he's "main-ish", but then we're getting the whole Brady Tarly Bunch, a troupe of actors, and I'm sure there are more I'm forgetting at the mo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Cygne Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 34 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said: Mr Benioff: "On the other hand, we love Jason Momoa, and we had to kill him. So, ultimately, you have to kill who you have to kill." Veronica Belmont - "You have to kill who you love, I mean, that's the way of the world." Mr Benioff: "That's what Faulkner said, right? So." Maybe he's not referring to the speech you quoted? He's mocking Faulkner. And GRRM, who often quotes Faulkner. He's saying themes are for 8th grade book reports, because he couldn't write his way out of a paper bag, and he wouldn't know a theme if it bit him on the nose. But more specifically, I think he's talking about this (and of course he's getting it all wrong): Quote You have to learn, literary hopefuls are told, to “kill your darlings.” In other words, you have to get rid of your most precious and especially self-indulgent passages for the greater good of your literary work... Of course, all these citations to names like Faulkner, Wilde, and Chekov may have helped the saying spread—it’s hard to imagine it spreading as quickly as attributed to the lesser-known Quiller-Couch. But whether you’re talking about killing darlings or murdering babies, it’s best to follow another rule of writing: Check your sources. http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/10/18/_kill_your_darlings_writing_advice_what_writer_really_said_to_murder_your.html (I think this means he should kill St. Tryion, just saying...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cas Stark Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Haven't many of the actors already said this season is a total bloodbath of dynamic shocks, and is more dynamic and shocking than Season 5? So, how can it then be less dark? Or maybe they were referring to the fact that perhaps someone, somewhere finally noticed that the crew shooting the scenes in the North needs a new light person. Or money for more lights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Cygne Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 1 minute ago, Cas Stark said: Haven't many of the actors already said this season is a total bloodbath of dynamic shocks, and is more dynamic and shocking than Season 5? So, how can it then be less dark? Or maybe they were referring to the fact that perhaps someone, somewhere finally noticed that the crew shooting the scenes in the North needs a new light person. Or money for more lights. Yes. They have all been saying so. And dark, they have used the word dark, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 18 minutes ago, Cas Stark said: Haven't many of the actors already said this season is a total bloodbath of dynamic shocks, and is more dynamic and shocking than Season 5? So, how can it then be less dark? Or maybe they were referring to the fact that perhaps someone, somewhere finally noticed that the crew shooting the scenes in the North needs a new light person. Or money for more lights. Yeah, well... From what I've seen so far it looks like it's going to quite a dark one, and I mean it both literally and figuratively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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