themerchant Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 They said soon 13 hours ago, so i've been waiting. Where i come when you say something is happening that day and soon, 13 hours is far too long a time to be using that word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hello World Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Not really... I mean TGO is coming out soon. TUC has been soon to be released for the past 2 and a half years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themerchant Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 The context is 16th May. Not just soon though. I agree with your statements above, but they don't describe the situation here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themerchant Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Excerpt is up now, rendering all my moaning moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 I didn't even know it was coming, then I opened my email this morning and had a link to Triskele's merest fraction. I haven't ventured into it yet, but I will later today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Bass Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Shit just keeps getting worse for ensouled humans in the Bakkerverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themerchant Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Certainly plenty to contemplate. Can discuss more when others have read it. The Onion getting peeled right back!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Spoiler The World is a granary Proyas... And we are the bread. Not far in... but that line hit me like a ton of bricks. I was also surprised to see Kellhus POV's. We haven't had those in TAE have we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hello World Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Spoiler Quote They called it the Tracery, the rite that determined who among them would sire children and so sculpt the future of their terrible race. Bakker continues to strictly use male identifiers and words when speaking about the Dûnyain. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Bass Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 58 minutes ago, Hello World said: Hide contents Bakker continues to strictly use male identifiers and words when speaking about the Dûnyain. Just a thought. Ominous. Makes me suspect there may be something to the "Axtotl tank" theory regarding Dunyain women. RE: Rhom Spoiler That whole section was pretty creepy, including the vision of the Outside - are the Ciphrang called "Sons" because he's seeing them from the perspective of the God of Gods? I wonder what Kellhus is building towards with his manipulations and head-games with Proyas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hello World Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 What was the point of the “There is a head on a pole behind you”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unJon Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 I foresee more spoiler issues between now and release for those that don't want to read the preview chapters. Lot of food for thought in there. I think on me bit will make Kal crow a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokisnow Posted May 16, 2016 Author Share Posted May 16, 2016 Prologue: Momemn And naught was known or unknown, and there was no hunger. All was One in silence, and it was as Death. Then the Word was spoken, and One became Many. Doing was struck from the hip of Being. And the Solitary God said, “Let there be Deceit. Let there be Desire.” ——The Book of Fane I've read that like six times and still getting resonant chills, dying to read more, stupid work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Quote Well, split, Great Ordeal still comes in at 500 pages, we have this confirmed. That makes it shorter than White Luck Warrior, but still a fair bit longer than The Judging Eye ( 420 pages). The Unholy Consult would have added about 400 more pages according to Scott, plus a very large encyclopedig glossary. Combined in one book, this would have been a 1000 pages at least. This much we know from comments from Scott's blog. As Gormenghast noted, the completed manuscript was 300,000 words, or about the same size as AGoT (600-700 pages in hardcover, 800 in paperback). So with the glossary added we might be looking at 900 pages in paperback, less in hardcover/tradeback. Very easily doable in one volume, except that Overlook are a small publisher and Bakker is a (relatively) low-selling author. It has become lamentably common place for smaller fantasy books to be blown up in typeface/font/margins so books appear much longer than they really are, presumably because fantasy novels are always big. A 150,000-page novel should really take up no more than 350 to 400 pages in paperback (and less in tradeback/hardcover). However, I believe Scott's page and word counts didn't include either the 25-page "Story So Far" or the mini-glossary. Orbit can certainly release books of that size. In fact, of all the UK publishers they are actually the least likely - apart maybe from Tor UK - to split volumes in half (Gollancz and HarperCollins Voyager do it way too much, and unnecessarily). Quote Overlook and Orbit have been sitting on a manuscript whose last rewrite was turned in in December 2013. By the time TGO comes out, that will be about 2 and a half years. I would love to see TUC get published next summer. But given the fact that Orbit have yet to commit to the July pub date, I wouldn't be surprised if things keep getting pushed back. The only thing that could speed up the process is if TGO is a commercial success. Given the wait and the fact that TUC was split into two installments and that there is not even a tentative pub date for book 2, that's a long shot. As much as I hate to say this, we may have to wait for a while for TUC. . . This is somewhat overly negative. The contract for Book 4 has been signed, so it will now, 100% be coming out or the publishers will both be in breach of contract. We also know that Orbit have committed to a 2016 release date for the book, whether it is in July or further back in September (as now seems likely). There isn't really a logical reason to wait longer than a year for Book 4, since they have to publish it. The only reason they might want to delay it is if they do a massive relaunch of the series in a blaze of publity, which would be good, obviously. If they want to sneak it out to get out of the contract, there's no reason to delay, and in fact no reason to have agreed to split the previous contract. They could have simply demanded massive cuts to Book 3 instead. The last I heard from Orbit, the books have done very well in the UK and they are happy with his performance, so sales don't appear to be the issue. What I do think might be more of an issue, however, is that Orbit seem to have recently developed a habit of promoting their international books more, so someone like Abraham, the Corey Expanse books or Parker whom they can release on both sides of the Atlantic is going to get more marketing firepower behind them than someone like Bakker, where they just have the glorified reprint rights from an American publisher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 For spoiler talk about the excerpt or anything else related to TGO, go to the spoiler topic. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calibandar Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 39 minutes ago, Werthead said: This is somewhat overly negative. The contract for Book 4 has been signed, so it will now, 100% be coming out or the publishers will both be in breach of contract. We also know that Orbit have committed to a 2016 release date for the book, whether it is in July or further back in September (as now seems likely). There isn't really a logical reason to wait longer than a year for Book 4, since they have to publish it. According to Orbit's website, their UK edition of the Great Ordeal is due September 29th, so it seems they are moving ahead as planned. What we now want to know is what date Overlook picks for book 4. https://www.littlebrown.co.uk/books/detail.page?isbn=9781841498317 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokisnow Posted May 18, 2016 Author Share Posted May 18, 2016 On May 16, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Kalbear said: For spoiler talk about the excerpt or anything else related to TGO, go to the spoiler topic. Thanks! Since people have been buying the ARCs on eBay is that thread just about the excerpt and safe to enter for all so soiled or is it profane ground where the innocent doth not dare tread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Buying ARCs? That's some bullshit. Well, selling anyway. And at the time I'm typing this it has only been about the excerpt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hello World Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 There is only spoilers for the excerpt in that thread. edit: ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calibandar Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 10 hours ago, lokisnow said: Since people have been buying the ARCs on eBay is that thread just about the excerpt and safe to enter for all so soiled or is it profane ground where the innocent doth not dare tread? Just discussion about the excerpt, so you're safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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