TheGreenBell Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 He clearly has a plan right? He wouldn't just yield after being held captive for a long time. It's either that or bad writing again. *ehem*Arya*ehem* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 1 hour ago, TheGreenBell said: He clearly has a plan right? He wouldn't just yield after being held captive for a long time. It's either that or bad writing again. *ehem*Arya*ehem* His plan is not to have his baby splattered against the walls of Riverrun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ummester Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 13 minutes ago, Lord Lannister said: His plan is not to have his baby splattered against the walls of Riverrun. Although I can sympathise with the humanity in that plan - baby hitting wall and going splat is definitely the type of spectacle the show needed in this episode Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Time Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 6 minutes ago, ummester said: Although I can sympathise with the humanity in that plan - baby hitting wall and going splat is definitely the type of spectacle the show needed in this episode Yep. Then we cut to the Blackfish saying: "Mayhaps this isn't such a bad thing. Had he lived, he would have grown up to be a Frey" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ummester Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 7 minutes ago, Lost Time said: Yep. Then we cut to the Blackfish saying: "Mayhaps this isn't such a bad thing. Had he lived, he would have grown up to be a Frey" And Bronn saying to Jamie, 'I'll give you this, you have a way with children.' Imagine the memes though, 'child care, Westeros style'. I swear, we should be writing this show now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drz Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 :(. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmug Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 4 minutes ago, Lost Time said: Yep. Then we cut to the Blackfish saying: "Mayhaps this isn't such a bad thing. Had he lived, he would have grown up to be a Frey" I think Edmure's bitterness towards the BF played into it as well. He exchanged his own imprisonment or the BFs. If the drawbridge went down, Jaime and Ed knew he had command of the Tully forces over the BF, game over goodbye BF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordalton Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Edmure is securing his place as one of the few good people in Westeros. No he isn't going to choose to let Jamie murder his child over honor and a stupid pile of rocks in a river. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodor's Aunt Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 2 hours ago, TheGreenBell said: He clearly has a plan right? He wouldn't just yield after being held captive for a long time. It's either that or bad writing again. *ehem*Arya*ehem* It's straight out of the books. Only difference (but that has nothing to do with Edmure) is that the Blackfish escapes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreenBell Posted June 13, 2016 Author Share Posted June 13, 2016 1 hour ago, ummester said: Although I can sympathise with the humanity in that plan - baby hitting wall and going splat is definitely the type of spectacle the show needed in this episode lol welp. well yeah, but can't just have them take over Riverrum again lol he must do something. I might have phrased the title incorrectly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSmallOther Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 3 hours ago, TheGreenBell said: He clearly has a plan right? He wouldn't just yield after being held captive for a long time. It's either that or bad writing again. *ehem*Arya*ehem* He is doing basically the same stuff we've already seen in the books. The only difference is that Blackfish had escaped there instead of dying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dariopatke Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 19 minutes ago, TheSmallOther said: He is doing basically the same stuff we've already seen in the books. The only difference is that Blackfish had escaped there instead of dying. And difference is that Edmure likely helped Brynden to escape instead of trying to imprison him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Snowflake Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 17 minutes ago, dariopatke said: And difference is that Edmure likely helped Brynden to escape instead of trying to imprison him. This. Why change that? I can empatize with Edmure with trying to save his child, but not helping Blackfish... It is more or less the same from the books but why not keep something that didn't have to be changed? It's one last in your face to Lannisters. Maybe he is a prisoner and has to play by other people rules, but letting his uncle go is one last ounce of resistance he could give them. Anyways I like bookEdmure better, so show is a show, and books are books Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodor's Aunt Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 1 hour ago, lordalton said: Edmure is securing his place as one of the few good people in Westeros. No he isn't going to choose to let Jamie murder his child over honor and a stupid pile of rocks in a river. in a world where 6/10 children before the age of five "a pile of rocks in a river" is worth far more than any child. Edmure would have been right to surrender the castle a year before now. By that time it was pointless to keep up resistance and have all his people dead for a little piece of glory (even that desputable). But now this decision is entirely wrong. The Lannisters are weakened and if RR could realy stand a siege for two years that would be well enough time to outlive the Lannisters. But poor Edmund in is dungeon was not kept up to date I guess. Beside the fact he was an underachiever all his live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferocious Veldt Roarer Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 12 minutes ago, Special Snowflake said: This. Why change that? I can empatize with Edmure with trying to save his child, but not helping Blackfish... It is more or less the same from the books but why not keep something that didn't have to be changed? It's one last in your face to Lannisters. Maybe he is a prisoner and has to play by other people rules, but letting his uncle go is one last ounce of resistance he could give them. Anyways I like bookEdmure better, so show is a show, and books are books I think it's David & Dan's love for nuance striking again. Instead of shades of gray, conflicting rations and tragic situation, it's way easier to just make Edmure a bitch. The line "Find the Blackfish, put him in irons and hand him over to the Freys" pretty much ruins him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Señor de la Tormenta Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 They changed that because they want to get rid of as many characters as possible. They dont want us wondering and complaining about where is the BF and what is he doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tianzi Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 3 hours ago, tmug said: I think Edmure's bitterness towards the BF played into it as well. He exchanged his own imprisonment or the BFs. Indeed, they just brought down Edmure and Blackfish's relationship to a pissing contest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A+B=C Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Edmure failed to hold the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex7s Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 lol I overestimated the writers when it came to Arya and the Waif. I had better plot in mind. So I will now just assume what Edmure is doing is just bad writing. I want to apply for a writer's position on the show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo Kressh Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 43 minutes ago, Tianzi said: Indeed, they just brought down Edmure and Blackfish's relationship to a pissing contest. And the Blackfish told the Freys to slit his nephew's throat...for a pile of rocks in a river and the argument he had with the Tully commander about letting Edmure in. And you clearly see the resentment on Edmure's face when he came in and saw his uncle. And I'm sure handing over the Blackfish was part of the terms Jaime and the Freys laid down and not necessarily Edmure's idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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