Kalbear Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 And yeah, some evangelicals said Katrina was gods punishment for gays. They believe that Obama and Clinton are possessed by demons. There is no extra real situation that is going to change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordfish Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Just now, Kalbear said: Nah. They just don't care. Or it wasn't important enough. Well, you would know better how other people you've never met think and what they believe I guess, i stand corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 1 minute ago, Kalbear said: And yeah, some evangelicals said Katrina was gods punishment for gays. They believe that Obama and Clinton are possessed by demons. There is no extra real situation that is going to change that. The difference between Katrina and a similar event in the future is that the ones who thought it was punishment for gays were on the fringes. Now they will be in the white house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, Swordfish said: How is this kind of generalization valuable? Ask the GOP. It's long been their philosophy, no? Now they're going to be the party of Big Government that is going to employ you? How is this kind of generalization incorrect might be the more pertinent question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Scribe of Naath Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 22 minutes ago, Swordfish said: The point is, if you hold that up as your best example of how Trump is obviously an overt racist and white supremac A better example: The birther nonsense. That wasn't racist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordfish Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 4 minutes ago, Kalbear said: Quote Ask the GOP. It's long been their philosophy, no? Now they're going to be the party of Big Government that is going to employ you? How is this kind of generalization incorrect might be the more pertinent question. In the way that most generalizations are incorrect. At any rate, we were talking about voters, not GOP operatives. Either way, I guess you guys are right. All those voters in Pennsylvania who voted for Obama in 2008 obviously voted for Trump in 2016 because they are closet racists. No reason to consider that there may be other factors at play, it's so obvious. Same for tha gains among minorities. Racists, the whole lot of them. I don't know what I was thinking. Simple, convenient, tidy packages are way better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordfish Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, Little Scribe of Naath said: A better example: The birther nonsense. That wasn't racist? I don't really know if it was or not. But it was not openly racist as far as I know. In fairness I didn't really follow that nonsense that closely. Is there some quote from Trumps calls for Obama to produce his birth certificate that you consider openly racist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris the Blade Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 11 minutes ago, Little Scribe of Naath said: A better example: The birther nonsense. That wasn't racist? Swordfish wouldn't know what racism is even if the KKK was in front of him lynching a black kid. He'd still be in denial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Scribe of Naath Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, Swordfish said: I don't really know if it was or not. But it was not openly racist as far as I know. In fairness I didn't really follow that nonsense that closely. Is there some quote from Trumps calls for Obama to produce his birth certificate that you consider openly racist? ?? What? What exactly is a plausible motivation to conjure rubbish conspiracy theories about his birth? Why exactly choose that particular method to delegitimize his presidency? I can't even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DraculaAD1972 Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 31 minutes ago, ThinkerX said: Ok, thought experiment of sorts here. Climate Change has been a major issue for a while now. Studies pointing to rapidly increasing ocean levels that has started to have significant real world effects the past few years. Witness the occasional article linked to here about flooding in Miami Beach and the rather dire predicament of the base at Norfolk. Situation is liable to get worse, not better. So, say we are in Year Three of Trumps reign, and this great big ugly chicken comes home to roost - in the form of a sort of 'second Katrina,' one so bad that major US cities will require permanent evacuation. How does the Trump administration and the (delusional) Tea Party set respond to this? real world circumstances 'trump' political ideology. fake news that deviates too far from observable reality gets ignored. Also applies to economics. What will the ardent Trump supporters do once they realize they are worse off than before as a result of Conservative policies? We know what Hillary would do. She would set up a charity to funnel funds into the clinton foundation and spend 5% of the donated money on actual aid for the people affected. Obama would play golf with his wall street buddies. Trump would oversee reconstruction after personally visiting the affected areas as soon as was safe for him to do so. However he might still deny climate change, it depends on who he's listening to. Regarding the economy, if it got worse for workers and the economy then he will have failed utterly on a central promise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Week Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 12 minutes ago, Swordfish said: I don't really know if it was or not. But it was not openly racist as far as I know. In fairness I didn't really follow that nonsense that closely. Is there some quote from Trumps calls for Obama to produce his birth certificate that you consider openly racist? YOU LOSE SIR. GOOD DAY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, DraculaAD1972 said: We know what Hillary would do. She would set up a charity to funnel funds into the clinton foundation and spend 5% of the donated money on actual aid for the people affected. Obama would play golf with his wall street buddies. Trump would oversee reconstruction after personally visiting the affected areas as soon as was safe for him to do so. However he might still deny climate change, it depends on who he's listening to. Regarding the economy, if it got worse for workers and the economy then he will have failed utterly on a central promise. I'm just curious, which fake news/conspiracy theory websites did you get this from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris the Blade Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, Dr. Pepper said: I'm just curious, which fake news/conspiracy theory websites did you get this from? Brietbart no doubt. Or one of the other neo nazi fascist alt right shit holes he gets his "info" from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Week Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 1 minute ago, Boris the Blade said: Brietbart no doubt. Or one of the other neo nazi fascist alt right shit holes he gets his "info" from. Curt Schilling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IamMe90 Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 3 hours ago, DraculaAD1972 said: Don't fear, Trump will save your precious democracy. Let's do a quick thought experiment. We go to the races to place a bet, Week, you and I. We both consider ourselves to be expert gamblers. We places our bets. You bet on Holy Hillary, despite my warnings that she's an old nag who is sure to stumble and probably won't make it to the finish. Meanwhile I place my bet on Divine Donald, and I ignore your warning that he is a bag of shite. When you start to convince the crowd that they should bet on Hillary, I start to convince them that Donald will be the winner. We are equally persuasive and we split the crowd between us. Of course Divine Donald wins and I and half the crowd collect our winnings. As I celebrate my victory, you denounce me as a fake pundit who knows nothing about horses and who lies almost all the time. You claim that in the next race, you will pick the winner and I am sure to pick the loser. Should the crowd believe you? I won't mention Clinton News Network, as I think Kalbear might sprain something with more laughter. But the New York Times had to admit its coverage of the election race was poor. Let's just say that when the msm peddles lies, bias, propaganda, and engages in collusion and deception and cheating....this blind, manipulative, anti-Trump, echo-chambery devotion to Hillary Clinton doesn't exactly add to the 'veracity of their news coverage'. I'm sorry, I have to go back three pages just to point how ridiculously stupid this "thought" experiment is. It's not even a thought experiment, because it isn't designed to provoke thought toward any specific philosophical quandary, it's just a stupid hypothetical scenario that doesn't actually bolster the point being made in any discernible way. Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris the Blade Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, Week said: Curt Schilling. Even better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altherion Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 10 minutes ago, Little Scribe of Naath said: What exactly is a plausible motivation to conjure rubbish conspiracy theories about his birth? Why exactly choose that particular method to delegitimize his presidency? Why not? It's cheap propaganda that requires personal information to refute -- not a bad strategy. There is nothing race-specific about the birther controversy. It relies only on his father being a foreigner and would work just as well had Obama's father been a white man from Great Britain. In fact, something similar was done to Ted Cruz during the primary. It's a conspiracy theory that was obviously idiotic from the very beginning and Trump eventually had to admit that it was complete nonsense, but it was not racist except in that its target was an African-American. By that criterion, nearly every anti-Obama action would be racist so most people don't think that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DraculaAD1972 Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 13 minutes ago, Dr. Pepper said: I'm just curious, which fake news/conspiracy theory websites did you get this from? Isn't anyone concerned that private eye magazine is on the blacklist? At least according to uk column. Are they nazis too? Yikes. This pc clampdown will backfire. It will only incite groups from outside the Trump camp to question the intellectual honesty of this poor attempt at a MSM backlash against alt-lite media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Calling Obama a secret muslim was also racist. For that matter so was denying African Americans the ability to stay in his apartments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunderMifflin Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 2 hours ago, Week said: I think birther was comparible to mccarthy communism hunt. Pretty scummy but not really racist. Since it's not a race, nor is Mexican for that matter. Classic fear mongering, not racist though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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