Ser Scot A Ellison Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 49 minutes ago, Gorn said: I don't want to Godwin the discussion, but would you argue that Joseph Goebbels wasn't a war criminal? After all, he never personally killed anyone or ordered anyone's death. Would you say that propaganda is harmless? Even if we focus only on less extreme examples, mass cultural depiction of a certain type of behavior will end up normalizing it, and there are countless examples of it, both positive and negative. You aren’t answering my question. Goebbles was a propagandist he’s more akin to cigarette ads than 80s and 90s police movies. Goebbels intended to manipulate. As such judging his actions is very different from looking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 55 minutes ago, Gorn said: double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughn Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 The key point is that there is an evil scary tree in Wise Man's Fear and you can't deny there is more deforestation than ever out there in the world. Coincidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 16 minutes ago, Vaughn said: The key point is that there is an evil scary tree in Wise Man's Fear and you can't deny there is more deforestation than ever out there in the world. Coincidence? I think not! Rothfuss has a lot of explaining to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 13 minutes ago, Let's Get Kraken said: Don't you think he was being flip when he said that though? No. You'd have to miss what he says about consulting with a statistician and insisting he's not making a joke to get the idea that he was being flippant. He genuinely believes his argument, which means he is bad at logic in that instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lysmonger Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 49 minutes ago, Ran said: No. You'd have to miss what he says about consulting with a statistician and insisting he's not making a joke to get the idea that he was being flippant. He genuinely believes his argument, which means he is bad at logic in that instance. I really want to argue with rothfuss about the the conquest of the Caribbean and Mexico. Something that would cause him to have a meltdown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 2 hours ago, lysmonger said: I really want to argue with rothfuss about the the conquest of the Caribbean and Mexico. Something that would cause him to have a meltdown How come? inquiring minds and so on -- this one in particular, since it is stuffed with the facts and history and the geography and cultures of these places and lots of personal on the ground experience of them and the people. For many years even! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted September 26, 2018 Author Share Posted September 26, 2018 58 minutes ago, Zorral said: How come? inquiring minds and so on -- this one in particular, since it is stuffed with the facts and history and the geography and cultures of these places and lots of personal on the ground experience of them and the people. For many years even! Don't feed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 12 hours ago, Vaughn said: The key point is that there is an evil scary tree in Wise Man's Fear and you can't deny there is more deforestation than ever out there in the world. Coincidence? There's also an Evil Tree in the Mighty Boosh. I smell conspiracy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyll.Ing. Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 :sigh: I''ve been foolish. I allowed myself to get my hopes up when I saw this thread had gained six pages in a week. "Major news must have broken!" I thought happily for a few moments. "Maybe the series in't completely lost after all!" But now, it's just the thread sinking to ...uhh ...not a new low, maybe, but a spurt of unrelated activity. And it still appears to be taken for granted that the Kingkiller Chronicle will never get anywhere. Shame. I liked the first book immensely, and the second was definitely enjoyable too, but then I discovered the status of the series' writing progress. Since then I've been wary of re-reading the books, since I don't need to fuel my enthusiasm for something that isn't likely to continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 On 9/25/2018 at 6:13 PM, Darth Richard II said: What the fuck is dear leader hero fantasy? Goodkind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunhilda Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Goodkind gives me the creeps. Rothfuss just makes me sad. I wish he had the guts to say, "No, I won't finish the trilogy" and get on with his life (and ours). Everyone would be happier and maybe he'd write something new worth a damn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted September 27, 2018 Author Share Posted September 27, 2018 Right, so weird misogynistic troll aside, I pretty much agree with what Ran has been saying. Rothfuss + logic = no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lysmonger Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 I wouldn't say I am being misogynistic/trollish right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted September 27, 2018 Author Share Posted September 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, lysmonger said: I wouldn't say I am being misogynistic/trollish right now. So? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughn Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 On 9/26/2018 at 4:59 AM, Kyll.Ing. said: :sigh: I''ve been foolish. I allowed myself to get my hopes up when I saw this thread had gained six pages in a week. "Major news must have broken!" I thought happily for a few moments. "Maybe the series in't completely lost after all!" This is my problem with the Thorn of Emerblain thread. Of course the answer is obvious - author rotation. Rothfuss has to finish Winds of Winter, Lynch the Door of Stone and Martin the Thorn of Emberlain. Dense, complicated plotting and settings for Rothuss. Ripping yarns and somewhat morally dubious protagonist for Lynch. Lots of description of food for Martin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 59 minutes ago, Vaughn said: This is my problem with the Thorn of Emerblain thread. Of course the answer is obvious - author rotation. Rothfuss has to finish Winds of Winter, Lynch the Door of Stone and Martin the Thorn of Emberlain. Dense, complicated plotting and settings for Rothuss. Ripping yarns and somewhat morally dubious protagonist for Lynch. Lots of description of food for Martin. That could be fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baxus Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 18 hours ago, Vaughn said: Of course the answer is obvious - author rotation. Rothfuss has to finish Winds of Winter, Lynch the Door of Stone and Martin the Thorn of Emberlain. Dense, complicated plotting and settings for Rothuss. Ripping yarns and somewhat morally dubious protagonist for Lynch. Lots of description of food for Martin. Why are we not funding this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 The problem there is that Death of the Author kicks in. The text portrays Kvothe as amazingly good at everything - why wouldn't his commentary on love also be seen as non-problematic? If Rothfuss wants to convey a particular thematic point, he needs to do it via the text, not through authorial interviews. It's not simply a matter of POV either. Scott Lynch is able to make it very clear that his protagonist's attitude towards love is profoundly unhealthy - no-one's going to quote Locke Lamora on love. I also cringe a bit about Rothfuss' attack on Esio Trot. Dahl wrote dark stories, featuring objectively messed-up people. It's part of his enduring appeal for children. Esio Trot isn't supposed to be a love story, it's about our protagonist being clever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted September 29, 2018 Author Share Posted September 29, 2018 I cringe every time Rothfuss opens his mouth, honestly. And that video does not give me hope that book 3 will be any sort of good, if it ever gets written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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