Rant & Rave Season 8 [Spoilers]: When you are cool like a cucumber, as evil as the mother of madness, but never as perfect as the pet!

[Wight nr 121]

The petition has now passed one million signatures  Great!

[kissdbyfire]

14 hours ago, House Cambodia said:

I'm watching HULU's new series Catch-22. It shows the horrors and futility of war, with mad commanders. It's really well done. The difference is, it's based on a 20thC literary classic and produced by George Clooney.  It shows that the themes GoT is aiming for this season can be done well in the right hands.

David and Dan aren’t aiming at any themes. After all, themes are for 8th grade book reports.

[Clueless Northman]

I don't know D/D and don't want to sound too harsh about them. But considering that it's not just that they dislike Stannis or didn't get Jaime's character arc, but that they pretty much didn't get any of the characters and didn't get their caracter arcs either, that they seem to be unable to relate to most if not all characters, and that they only seem to enjoy the biggest psychos around, are on the record thinking Red Wedding was awesome and the main reason they did the series, and are the ones who pushed for ever more violence and graphic sex "because that's what people want to see", I'm now seriously wondering if the reason all this show has turned out so badly on so many levels isn't simply because, deep down, they're just horrible human beings that simply cannot get honour, virtue, redemption and only value the basest instincts, without a shred of empathy or sympathy. I sincerely hope I'm wrong and this is merely incompetence, though.

[Art Vandelay]

54 minutes ago, Wight nr 121 said:

The petition has now passed one million signatures  Great!

Is it great though? If they remade it we'd have to sit through it all again. Once was bad enough.

I don't know what people think this will achieve. Give them another chance to screw it up in all new ways.

[kissdbyfire]

Well, no, they wouldn’t... the petition is to have a series 8 makeover, with different writers. Anyway, it won’t ever happen. But I don’t think people are actually expecting that to happen, even if it reached 10 times that number of signatures. But it is a good way of expressing your displeasure and total disdain for this pathetically stupid final season. Sure, HBO probably won’t give two fucks about it. They’d maybe care if millions of people actually cancelled their subscriptions, and realistically, that’s very unlikely. Still, having 1,000,000+ people sign something like this could give the issue more visibility than it would otherwise get. 

[kissdbyfire]

Jessica Chastain on The Last of the Starks:

Rape is not a tool to make a character stronger. A woman doesn’t need to be victimized in order to become a butterfly. The #littlebird was always a Phoenix. Her prevailing strength is solely because of her. And her alone.#GameOfThronespic.twitter.com/TVIyt8LYxI

— Jessica Chastain (@jes_chastain) May 7, 2019

[kissdbyfire]

And... just over 8 hours and it’s all over.

 

[The Fattest Leech]

So I assume that tonight we will see Daenerys with short, cut hair (no braids)?
The show omitted the Dothraki bells, and Dany never had a crown from Qarth, and her show hairbraids became ever more intricate... so I predict NOW that show will actually use some book lore to retcon character details that should have been there all along?

To be clear, I am not saying what they did to Dany was right and the books are handling things rather differently, I am just going to laugh me ass off if NOW they decide to add book lore to the story. All these details that hardcore showpoligists swore meant nothing and that is why the show left them out.

And what made me think of this is remembering Emilia bleaching her hair blonde in real life a while back. Something she said she hated doing because it killed her hair.

[Mystical]

Am I the only who wishes the episode would get leaked early? I want to be more awake when the meltdown starts happening...

[Sea Dragon]

I have never ranted before because I never really watched the show. I have seen the recent t episode and I am shocked the show would do Dany bad. This isn't the books where she is practicing at being a good leader. It is so obvious the she and Jon are both going to restore the Targaryen dynasty and rule wisely. This show is made up nonsense and it makes me very angry to see them make Danaerys burn everything. That's not who she is. She might get angry with someone in the next book but she is not going to burn anything like this. She will end up being the wise queen. 

[Beardy the Wildling]

So, I have another ranter meme that took off in freefolk, intended to shut up people who think we R&Rers are mad we didn't get what we wanted.

 

[SeanF]

1 hour ago, Sea Dragon said:

I have never ranted before because I never really watched the show. I have seen the recent t episode and I am shocked the show would do Dany bad. This isn't the books where she is practicing at being a good leader. It is so obvious the she and Jon are both going to restore the Targaryen dynasty and rule wisely. This show is made up nonsense and it makes me very angry to see them make Danaerys burn everything. That's not who she is. She might get angry with someone in the next book but she is not going to burn anything like this. She will end up being the wise queen. 

I sympathise, because I like Daenerys a lot as a character, and I know that a very large number of people identify with her story.  Lots of people identify with characters in art and literature, and always have done.  It hurts to see her die in disgrace (assuming that's in the finale) rather as if Tolkien had finished the Lord of the Rings by revealing that Sam was a backstabbing coward.

I always saw her as a flawed saint, someone who combined good and bad qualities.  I don't mind that she burned Kings Landing, and can see where she was coming from, but we certainly needed the full ten episodes a Season, to really show the breakdown in trust between her and her allies and advisers, and to do her end full justice.

[bloodsteel bitterraven]

On 5/17/2019 at 9:53 PM, The Fattest Leech said:

I have fallen a bit behind on all of the postings (not a complaint ), but was this posted already? Cracked me to ice cubes, I tell ya

 

hahaha that's a good one.  I can't believe they turned the greatest threat the world had ever faced into a horned f***er that was dealt with in one episode.

[Ghost+Nymeria4Eva]

22 hours ago, kissdbyfire said:

David and Dan aren’t aiming at any themes. After all, themes are for 8th grade book reports.

Could the theme be that you are your DNA? Your genetics is your destiny. I mean modern fantasy has kind of been about rising above your circumstances. Like, the hero may have bad parents or something like that, but (mostly) he is not his parents or birth. But one way to subvert expectations is to say that, nah, you have always been what you inherited. 

I mean, Dany knows her dad went mad. She learns about the extent of his madness and cruelty from Jorah. But in the end, despite her good intentions, she can't overcome her bloodline. She succumbs like it's how she's programmed. 

And contrast that to the Starks, who are always good. All Targs are violent or mad, but some were good. But all Starks are good, except for some bad apples. Other houses have these traits too. Lannisters have always been greedy and conniving, starting with Lann the clever. 

I mean, Dany and Jon have similar goals, both personal and political. They both want to feel accepted, loved, and fit in. They both want to save the world. But it's Dany who somehow goes mad like her father before her. 

[House Cambodia]

8 minutes ago, Ghost+Nymeria4Eva said:

Could the theme be that you are your DNA? Your genetics is your destiny.

No. That would mean Gendry is fated to become a drunken whoremonger, Tormund will revert to being a mindless violent thug, Yara a merciless reaver.

[Ghost+Nymeria4Eva]

2 minutes ago, House Cambodia said:

13 minutes ago, Ghost+Nymeria4Eva said:

Could the theme be that you are your DNA? Your genetics is your destiny.

No. That would mean Gendry is fated to become a drunken whoremonger, Tormund will revert to being a mindless violent thug, Yara a merciless reaver.

But isn't that already happening? Gendry is rejected by Arya and ends up with a lordship he doesn't want, much like his daddy. Tormund is back in the north by himself. And there's nothing to say that the ironborne wouldn't just go back to the way they were when all this war business is done. 

[House Cambodia]

Just now, Ghost+Nymeria4Eva said:

But isn't that already happening? Gendry is rejected by Arya and ends up with a lordship he doesn't want, much like his daddy. Tormund is back in the north by himself. And there's nothing to say that the ironborne wouldn't just go back to the way they were when all this war business is done. 

If you want to believe that, but I see zero evidence for any of it.

[SeanF]

21 minutes ago, Ghost+Nymeria4Eva said:

Could the theme be that you are your DNA? Your genetics is your destiny. I mean modern fantasy has kind of been about rising above your circumstances. Like, the hero may have bad parents or something like that, but (mostly) he is not his parents or birth. But one way to subvert expectations is to say that, nah, you have always been what you inherited. 

I mean, Dany knows her dad went mad. She learns about the extent of his madness and cruelty from Jorah. But in the end, despite her good intentions, she can't overcome her bloodline. She succumbs like it's how she's programmed. 

And contrast that to the Starks, who are always good. All Targs are violent or mad, but some were good. But all Starks are good, except for some bad apples. Other houses have these traits too. Lannisters have always been greedy and conniving, starting with Lann the clever. 

I mean, Dany and Jon have similar goals, both personal and political. They both want to feel accepted, loved, and fit in. They both want to save the world. But it's Dany who somehow goes mad like her father before her. 

I think it's more that Dany could not overcome her circumstances.  Being the product of inbreeding didn't help, but years of physical and sexual abuse by her brother, being sold to a warlord, being subject to repeated attempts at murder and rape were going to produce a very flawed personality.  At the same time, she's been told that Targaryens are gods, and acquires three powerful weapons, and an army of devoted followers.  How well could that turn out?

[Ghost+Nymeria4Eva]

1 minute ago, SeanF said:

I think it's more that Dany could not overcome her circumstances.  Being the product of inbreeding didn't help, but years of physical and sexual abuse by her brother, being sold to a warlord, being subject to repeated attempts at murder and rape were going to produce a very flawed personality.  At the same time, she's been told that Targaryens are gods, and acquires three powerful weapons, and an army of devoted followers.

Oh wow, I guess people who are victimized don't have a choice but to end up with a "flawed personality"? Inbreeding really? So my point is right?

Viserys doesn't sexually abuse her. And there's no point in books or the show that Dany is told that Targs are gods. She was literally in exile because she is a Targ. 

[Leticia Stark]

The cast making posts saying their goodbye to their characters, thanking everyone and not a single mention of D&D is sending me lol