Zorral Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 Without competent professionals (not all professionals are competent, it may be needless to say, but just in case ...) getting hands on, so to speak, opportunity to evaluate him, it can't be certainly declared. There are so many signs that he has some form or multiple forms of dementia, but it could just be him, as with his extremely abusive behaviors and speech. As there are people who suffer from a form of dementia who are abusive, even extremely so, there are others who are extremely sweet -- Harriet Beecher Stowe was one of the very sweet ones in her declining years in which suffered a dementia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace, Extat Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Mexal said: Sure, he did, but his sentence structure, lack of knowledge and uncontrolled narcissism that leads to unparalleled repetition isn't on purpose. It's just Trump and it works because he repeats the same shit all the time and fosters hate against others. Yeah, agree. Donald is a buffoon who happened to develop sleazy salesman tactics to supplement his great wealth=power status to compensate for being a fucking idiot. America hasn't really had a good old fashioned demagogue in a while despite being repeatedly primed for hatemongering by Republicans who -let's be real- did not for the most part intend to set up actual fascism. It's a conflux of random ass events drawn together by similar cause, which is to concentrate power and it's on its own momentum now. Donald is an idiot who has great power because he's rich and we fetishize wealth in this country. And now he has great power because he's president and has followers. So stupid people, ignorants, the incapable, the corrupt, and the reprehensible can assign their own appreciation to anything he says because despite repeating the same words over and over again he never says anything. It's literally like a 3 year old. Just making sounds that the parents and friends who enjoy stupid creatures with nothing to say assign arbitrary meaning to. It's why for YEARS they've said shit like "you can't go off of what he says, what he means is..." And then you just get their personal favorite Republican salespoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoodedCrow Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 Hmm, I guess Ormond is okay with hebephilia, and ephebophilia? After you are 14, a teen is fair game for mall predators? Priest predators? Moore was also accused of attempted forced sex with a minor. Still okay? I took several post grad psychiatry courses. Maybe you could clarify, Ormond:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tears of Lys Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 11 minutes ago, HoodedCrow said: Hmm, I guess Ormond is okay with hebephilia, and ephebophilia? After you are 14, a teen is fair game for mall predators? Priest predators? Moore was also accused of attempted forced sex with a minor. Still okay? I took several post grad psychiatry courses. Maybe you could clarify, Ormond:) Defining certain terms does not indicate one's approval of the activity. E.g., One can post a definition of "bestiality," but that doesn't mean they're down with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace, Extat Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 I roll my eyes at the practice nonetheless. @Ormond I've never thought you were anything but good people. However I want you to know I'm giving you a jerkoff motion. It's a casual response, don't take it too seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoodedCrow Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 Yes, but Ormond seemed to be evading the issue on the technical definition of pedophilia. Many people are disgusted with Moore stalking minor girls, who may have been over 14, but may not use the exactly correct DSM definition. It generally means that people without a psychology background still know it’s icky, the girls were. Much too young for him, and it isn’t usually legal anyway. Maybe the right wing will open up the age of consent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoodedCrow Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 Most of us know much more about Trump than a typical psychiatrist or psychologist knows about a patient at intake. It doesn’t stop qualified professionals from coming up with very dubious labeling. Gosh, even things that seem straightforward, like autism spectrum disorders are not, and qualified professionals can disagree. Some labels are so loose as to be overused, even if the patent does not meet the criteria. I’ve seen that done, as well. There are personality tests that only agree with each other, perhaps 60% of the time. And they are designed to be assessing the same thing. No of course the ability to define is not the same thing as approving, and that is why I asked Ormond to clarify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonnot OG Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 this country sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centrist Simon Steele Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 24 minutes ago, HoodedCrow said: Most of us know much more about Trump than a typical psychiatrist or psychologist knows about a patient at intake. It doesn’t stop qualified professionals from coming up with very dubious labeling. Gosh, even things that seem straightforward, like autism spectrum disorders are not, and qualified professionals can disagree. Some labels are so loose as to be overused, even if the patent does not meet the criteria. I’ve seen that done, as well. There are personality tests that only agree with each other, perhaps 60% of the time. And they are designed to be assessing the same thing. No of course the ability to define is not the same thing as approving, and that is why I asked Ormond to clarify. Doesn't seem to me Ormond needs to clarify anything about that to you. It was already pretty clear that Ormond is not "okay" with that behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoodedCrow Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 Ormond doesn’t need to clarify anything. I just asked, since I wasn’t clear. Is this a religious response team? Honestly, I know of one group in particular that does that. Or is this circling the wagons for guys who fantasize about minors. Fantasy, like definition, is not the same as stalking or forcing. Judge Moore was accused of forcing, but he also did a lot of stalking, grooming of teens and their parents sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 Yeah the worst you could accuse @Ormond of is being officious. I think legally, it should all be 18 - other than certain age differences with, like a 19 year old with a 17 year old, etc. That's all I really care about when I refer to someone as a pedophile, even if it's technically wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoodedCrow Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 It’s complicated in real life. How about the seduction of a mentally challenged adult. Legal, isn’t it, but really consent isn’t the same. Then, consent can be bizarre if, say, one or both or all of the participants are drunk, blacked out, or high, or one is in a position of power over the other for whatever reason. Date rape drugs are clearly illegal, but may be hard to prove, even if there is a decades like pattern. Some people think it’s okay to rape a wife. What I hope most is that the right wing does not remove all consent requirements, since women are evil and deserve it because of Eves original sin. Or women are second class citizens and merely objects for sex and having babies. Or any reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace, Extat Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 1 minute ago, HoodedCrow said: What I hope most is that the right wing does not remove all consent requirements, since women are evil and deserve it because of Eves original sin. Or women are second class citizens and merely objects for sex and having babies. Or any reason. Why are you couching this as a hypothetical? Hell, why are you couching it as anything other than established doctrine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, HoodedCrow said: How about the seduction of a mentally challenged adult. Legal, isn’t it, but really consent isn’t the same. Then, consent can be bizarre if, say, one or both or all of the participants are drunk, blacked out, or high, or one is in a position of power over the other for whatever reason. Yeah there's always your SVU episodes on outliers, and as for consent, that's an entirely different topic. Age is clear. As for "date rape drugs," or rohypnol or whatever, no it's almost 100% positive to prove unless it's not in their system anymore. In which case, well, duh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoodedCrow Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 Yah, Jace. We have the grab em by the Pu$$y president and over 40% who voted for him. But some of the guys here seemed to get triggered easily:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoodedCrow Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 Many rapes like that with rufies, may be pretty confusing to the victim, who may think they just passed out. The first reaction may not be to get tested for that right away, in fact most rapes are not reported. Even then, they may not be taken seriously. My niece believes she was rufied, is a police officer in training and did not report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, Triskele said: ..it’s captured the imagination of the party’s activist base. W/o the activist base there would be no Dem party at this point, in a whole lot of the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centrist Simon Steele Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Triskele said: Interesting update on Biden v. Sanders on healthcare and Medicare-for-All v. more incremenntal approaches here. While I think there's merit to Biden's approach overall I don't like the catastrophizing language towards the Medicare-for-All he's using. It's weird, because I feel like (I'm not doing the research right now) that Obama wanted a single payer plan, and had to settle for ACA, no? So, if Medicare for All seems remotely feasible, you'd think Obama's scion might be a bit more supportive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace, Extat Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Simon Steele said: It's weird, because I feel like (I'm not doing the research right now) that Obama wanted a single payer plan, and had to settle for ACA, no? So, if Medicare for All seems remotely feasible, you'd think Obama's scion might be a bit more supportive. What kinda people do you think made him settle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoodedCrow Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 I guess Biden was there when Obama lost the House over creating a compromise health care plan. Americans on the whole don’t want no stinking health care for all. Eek, entitlement to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and we are created equal, socialists must hate America. But don’t take away Medicare, yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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