ThinkerX Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Washington Establishment shining through? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/joe-biden-says-he-would-consider-a-republican-as-his-running-mate/ar-BBYtlRK?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=msnclassic Joe Biden told voters in New Hampshire on Monday that he would consider choosing a Republican as a running mate, but added, "I can't think of one right now." Biden discussed the possibility after a woman told the former vice president that if he is the nominee, he will "have to pull out all the stops." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 What an absolutely terrible idea..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Maybe he could choose a Democrat who's had recent support from non-rabid Republicans, like Gov. Laura Kelly of Kansas? I have no idea if she would be a good running mate or not, I'm just thinking of the first possibility that might appeal to Biden here. https://governor.kansas.gov/governor/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Tywin et al. said: What an absolutely terrible idea..... Woo. That will really bring out the vote for him. Not. What a frackin' idiot, the very portrait of the Dem establishment in this day and age. The vile David Brooks even said (on NPR, so who heard it among the bedbug cultists, so that was safe as houses) that he was convinced there was no way bedbug was going to win in 2020. But he left out the Dem establishment death wish . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Tywin et al. said: What an absolutely terrible idea..... Agreed, but I think he's only saying it because he'd never do it - instead he gets to sound like he's open to "reaching across the aisle" and not being partisan, and he gets to take a shot at the GOP for having no one decent among them. Pretty much only has upside for Biden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Ormond said: Maybe he could choose a Democrat who's had recent support from non-rabid Republicans, like Gov. Laura Kelly of Kansas? Kelly is a pretty good choice on paper for most other nominees, but you'd think Biden would be looking for someone less moderate and considerably younger to provide contrast and try to unite the party. Anyway, I agree that Biden is not remotely serious by saying this, he's just trying to look open-minded and bipartisan. Which is pretty on-brand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 What about Justin Amash? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace, Extat Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, Kalbear said: What about Justin Amash? The Rock would be a more salient political decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 I know Dwayne's the big movie star and all, but I don't know why Stone Cold always gets short shrift. Aside from pornstars and Russian oligarchs, he's the only person in the world to actually have done this to Donald Trump: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGimletEye Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 3 hours ago, DMC said: I know Dwayne's the big movie star and all, but I don't know why Stone Cold always gets short shrift. Aside from pornstars and Russian oligarchs, he's the only person in the world to actually have done this to Donald Trump: If he promises to bring in the beer truck to hose the Republican Party in a beer bath, I'd have to consider voting for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 12 hours ago, larrytheimp said: Agreed, but I think he's only saying it because he'd never do it - instead he gets to sound like he's open to "reaching across the aisle" and not being partisan, and he gets to take a shot at the GOP for having no one decent among them. Pretty much only has upside for Biden. That seems extremely charitable. I agree that's what he's going for (IE, he's definitely not going to actually pick a republican). But I think that it really shows how out of touch Biden is WRT the democratic primary. The idea of appointing even the most palatable Republicans of yesteryear like Olympia Snowe or the ghost of John McCain would be a complete joke. Both of those people did a LOT to subvert Obama's agenda, and surely Biden knows that. Is he just assuming we don't remember? Regardless, I'm really surprised at how this primary is going. I have felt for months that there was an opportunity for a candidate who wanted to try and occupy the more-or-less midpoint of the Democratic primary, a bit to the right of Warren/Sanders and a bit to the left of Biden. That is definitely where Harris and Booker tried to set up camp, but with minimal success. It is just astonishing that Biden is still at 30% after all his disappointments and someone like Bloomberg can come up and drop a bunch of money and rise to 5%, but someone like Booker, who is more qualified, more electable and more likeable can't get out of the doldrums. And I'm not a Booker fanboy, I would have been happy with several other candidates that have already dropped out, it's just frustrating that at the moment it seems like Booker is the only one left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Triskele said: I remain just blown away that Booker can't get off the ground. And I don't just mean that I'm surprised that some people aren't a fan but more generally that if it's really true that so many Dem voters care about "electability" then I'm surprised that no one seems to be making a strategic vote (in the polls at least) on that alone. I have no idea what mental contortions you have to make to think that Steyer or Bloomberg would be more electable than Booker. And while you can make the excuse that they've been spending 10s of millions of dollars, it's not like Booker couldn't get fundraising. The problem is that he can't get off the ground in the polls, even to the extent that Steyer and Bloomberg have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altherion Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 13 minutes ago, Triskele said: I remain just blown away that Booker can't get off the ground. And I don't just mean that I'm surprised that some people aren't a fan but more generally that if it's really true that so many Dem voters care about "electability" then I'm surprised that no one seems to be making a strategic vote (in the polls at least) on that alone. Why do you think he's electable? Yes, he is of the same race and gender as Obama, but he's worse than the latter in practically every way and he has dodgy financial dealings in New Jersey which will surely get brought up should he make any headway towards a nomination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 14 minutes ago, Altherion said: Why do you think he's electable? Yes, he is of the same race and gender as Obama, but he's worse than the latter in practically every way and he has dodgy financial dealings in New Jersey which will surely get brought up should he make any headway towards a nomination. He's relatively young, handsome and charismatic. He is above average at stump speeches, debates and tv/radio interviews. He has both executive and legislative experience, and is broadly qualified. His positions are well aligned with where mainstream democrats currently are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Not sure why it’s hard to understand. Booker gives off that he’s fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 12 minutes ago, Maithanet said: He's relatively young, handsome and charismatic. He is above average at stump speeches, debates and tv/radio interviews. He has both executive and legislative experience, and is broadly qualified. His positions are well aligned with where mainstream democrats currently are. I find him eminently forgettable. There’s no there there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Triskele said: Sure, but it's harder to understand when the other candidates have glaring flaws as well. I suppose you could say though that on that question at least that Biden, Bernie, and Warren all score well on the authenticity scale which I'll grant you Booker does not. ETA: By the way, did voters think Bill Clinton was authentic? I was too young at the time, but I kind of doubt it and think he won more on a combo of GOP in power too long, economy, people thought he was competent/had game, etc... ETA2: Sounds like S. Collins is saying stuff about Mitch's approach similar to Murkowski. Good. Pierre Delecto should come though too. ETA: Eh, maybe not. Seeing stuff like maybe she said she has issues but won't do shit about it. Shes gonna pull that football everytime, Triskie Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteGabriel Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Come on. Collins wrings her hands and tries to sound vaguely human, and then she goes and votes with her shithole party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 7 hours ago, Maithanet said: someone like Bloomberg can come up and drop a bunch of money and rise to 5% I really don't think dropping over $100 million in a month and that getting you to 5% is any type of accomplishment, and really only surprising in how little support all that money spent in such a short time garnered him. 2 hours ago, Triskele said: By the way, did voters think Bill Clinton was authentic? I was too young at the time, but I kind of doubt it and think he won more on a combo of GOP in power too long, economy, people thought he was competent/had game, etc... Clinton's political skill wasn't really "authenticity," it was empathy - the "I feel your pain" *half thumbs-up* that became a parody (and indeed can come across as quite inauthentic). The best example is the second debate in 1992. It was the first presidential debate to employ the town hall format, and Clinton flourished. Here's a write-up on Clinton' success in such a format. Clinton expertly employed his charm this way, and he was definitely the best politician of my lifetime when it comes to those type of interpersonal interactions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Booker to me has a number of problems. The first is that hes nice when the climate does not warrant it. His attacks on Trump feel lame and toothless, and he feels milquetoast. The second is that he doesnt appear to stand out on what he wants other than to be the nice guy. The third is he comes off as incredibly inauthentic. And Clinton wasnt exactly authentic, but he was charming and passionate and intelligent. He could switch quickly to different arguments without seeming flustered. He felt concerned and caring. And he felt young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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