Fury Resurrected Posted April 19, 2021 Author Share Posted April 19, 2021 11 minutes ago, Martell Spy said: Pelosi is defending her. I don't think she'd be doing that if she thought it was bad politics. Pelosi defends Rep. Maxine Waters over her ‘get more confrontational’ remark to protesters The House speaker's defense comes amid GOP criticism of Waters, who they say incited violence with her comment. https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/19/pelosi-defends-maxine-waters-483126 Good. The last thing we need to be doing is whitesplaining what Maxine Waters should be saying with regards to civil rights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin et al. Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Fury Resurrected said: Those people would buy any negative thing said, so it doesn’t make sense to worry about them. Waters is not incorrect in that statement and it’s important that someone in government show up for these actions Sure they would, but this actually gives them something semi-concreate to point at and it’s not surprising at all that the right wing media jumped on it. Whether Waters is right or not in a vacuum is difficult to say, because yes the spirit of what she was saying is correct, but she also unnecessarily dumped gasoline on an already delicate situation. If Chauvin is acquitted we all know there will be bad riots and Republicans will absolutely argue that she incited violence and it will put Democrats on the defensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 54 minutes ago, Fury Resurrected said: Good. The last thing we need to be doing is whitesplaining what Maxine Waters should be saying with regards to civil rights At the same, its important to acknowledge when its not being helpful... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Fleets of cop helicopters' roar groan all over my local skies, invading my inside personal space. Cops began gathering in numbers on the streets here around noon. I hear on the radio some white person say "We have to do this preparation all across the country because whatever the Chauvin verdict there will violent protests." It's like the media has designated this already as Riot Day. And why does the media believe there will be a verdict announced tonight? Why not tomorrow, or later, which seems more likely than tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fury Resurrected Posted April 19, 2021 Author Share Posted April 19, 2021 18 minutes ago, Fez said: At the same, its important to acknowledge when its not being helpful... That defense attorney was also talking cookie recipes in closing statements so I wouldn’t put too much stock in the straws he is obligated to grasp at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Zorral said: It's like the media has designated this already as Riot Day. And why does the media believe there will be a verdict announced tonight? Why not tomorrow, or later, which seems more likely than tonight. Because they are expecting a Not Guilty verdict pretty quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 I don't have a television (or iphone), and I don't twitter, and I don't do FB, or Yahoo, etc. news updates either. So I missed what the majority media is saying.* CNN online isn't saying that? * Honestly, my life is better. I'm riled up so much all the time as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Pelosi and the Dems et al. should absolutely stand behind Waters. The fact McCarthy is introducing a censure resolution over the comments is an are-you-fucking-serious?!? absurdity. By all means, let the GOP overplay their hand and demonstrate the ludicrous hypocrisy of the House Republican Conference accusing *Waters* of inciting violence. By linking the protests to the CRM, no less. As for the judge, he was mostly complaining about separation of powers with elected officials' commenting on cases. Which, ok, whatever. Not to mention the statement ranks probably in the ten thousands on most "inflammatory" comments Waters has made over her career. I want all my daughters to be like Maxine Waters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Fragile Bird said: Because they are expecting a Not Guilty verdict pretty quickly. Honestly what I’m expecting and dreading. Just getting sick thinking about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin et al. Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said: Honestly what I’m expecting and dreading. Just getting sick thinking about it. I'm not. Not sure how much of the trial you've seen, but it's wall to wall coverage here in the Twin Cities. The prosecution has laid out a rather devastating case while the defense has been feeble. Any juror that could side with their arguments was always going to do so from the jump, so you just have to trust that the prosecution did a good job of weeding those types out. What I'd be more worried about is the two murder charges not sticking, but he's found guilty of manslaughter and we still see widespread protests that turn into riots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Tywin et al. said: I'm not. Not sure how much of the trial you've seen, but it's wall to wall coverage here in the Twin Cities. The prosecution has laid out a rather devastating case while the defense has been feeble. Any juror that could side with their arguments was always going to do so from the jump, so you just have to trust that the prosecution did a good job of weeding those types out. What I'd be more worried about is the two murder charges not sticking, but he's found guilty of manslaughter and we still see widespread protests that turn into riots. I have watched the trial and I do think the prosecution’s case was strong. I also thought the same thing about Trayvon martin and a litany of other black people who were murdered by police and got no justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fury Resurrected Posted April 20, 2021 Author Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Fragile Bird said: Because they are expecting a Not Guilty verdict pretty quickly. We’re bracing for it. While the prosecution laid out their case really well and the defense was completely absurd, that doesn’t mean a mostly white jury (comprised of people who claim to not know much about the case!!) won’t find him not guilty by virtue of being an on duty police officer regardless of anything else. I wouldn’t be surprised about a mistrial or an outright acquittal. My pessimistic expectation is that he will be convicted of manslaughter and perhaps even murder 3, but probably not murder 2. And that will not be good enough, especially considering Daunte Wright. I think we should also expect to see some bad nights when the tax evasion case rolls around if he gets more time for that than for killing a man in broad daylight on a main thoroughfare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, Fury Resurrected said: We’re bracing for it. While the prosecution laid out their case really well and the defense was completely absurd, that doesn’t mean a mostly white jury (comprised of people who claim to not know much about the case!!) won’t find him not guilty by virtue of being an on duty police officer regardless of anything else. I wouldn’t be surprised about a mistrial or an outright acquittal. My pessimistic expectation is that he will be convicted of manslaughter and perhaps even murder 3, but probably not murder 2. And that will not be good enough, especially considering Daunte Wright. I think we should also expect to see some bad nights when the tax evasion case rolls around if he gets more time for that than for killing a man in broad daylight on a main thoroughfare. Ah. That’s my optimistic expectation. Least that would be something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin et al. Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 15 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said: I have watched the trial and I do think the prosecution’s case was strong. I also thought the same thing about Trayvon martin and a litany of other black people who were murdered by police and got no justice. I didn't think Zimmerman would be found guilty, but that's specific to FL state law. As to there being no justice when police commit extrajudicial murders, this case is different because his own fellow local officers are testifying against him. I don't recall seeing that in any of the other high profile policing shootings of an unarmed minority. 14 minutes ago, Fury Resurrected said: We’re bracing for it. While the prosecution laid out their case really well and the defense was completely absurd, that doesn’t mean a mostly white jury (comprised of people who claim to not know much about the case!!) won’t find him not guilty by virtue of being an on duty police officer regardless of anything else. I wouldn’t be surprised about a mistrial or an outright acquittal. My pessimistic expectation is that he will be convicted of manslaughter and perhaps even murder 3, but probably not murder 2. And that will not be good enough, especially considering Daunte Wright. I think we should also expect to see some bad nights when the tax evasion case rolls around if he gets more time for that than for killing a man in broad daylight on a main thoroughfare. I'd brace yourself for Potter getting a slap on the wrist, especially if Chauvin is found guilty and gets a harsh sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThinkerX Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 starting to wonder if agents provocateurs are being imported into the Twin Cities.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fury Resurrected Posted April 20, 2021 Author Share Posted April 20, 2021 31 minutes ago, ThinkerX said: starting to wonder if agents provocateurs are being imported into the Twin Cities.... That was the case last year and I’m sure it’s the case now. I saw more out of state plates (and more ominous ones with no plates at all) than than during the fucking Super Bowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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