Varysblackfyre321 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, DMC said: No. Any discipline established by a bunch of French eggheads and Karl Marx is inherently evil. And filthy. Hide contents Of course it's sarcasm. Ah okay then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 4 hours ago, Ser Reptitious said: Aren't juries sequestered throughout the trial? If so, how could it be argued that her actions played a part in their verdict? Also, for the love of God (or whatever), can we just savior a moment of victory for humanity before we get all pessimistic (and turning the guns on each other) again? Like, one day, for example? Sheesh! I think you meant "savor". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fury Resurrected Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Chataya de Fleury said: RIGHT? Lol. I bet you’re all shocked that I’m a filthy capitalist literally working for The Man I have spent many years shocked over this, yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 2 hours ago, karaddin said: It's not full blown riots yet, but cops have already gone and killed another kid in the couple of hours after the verdict. 15 year old girl calls them for help and they shoot her. Columbus PD. ETA: Exactly what happened still seems a bit jumbled, but an actual report with the early accounts is https://www.thedailybeast.com/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-a-person-as-derek-chauvin-guilty-verdict-comes-down?ref=scroll So Columbus PD has done press conference on this already, recording here (the bodycam footage they play starts at 6 minutes and 40 seconds; and WARNING the shooting is shown): Less than 10 seconds after the police arrive, someone is charging someone else with a knife in hand. I don't know enough about tasers to say whether that would've been more appropriate, but from the footage it certainly appears that the police had literal seconds to act to stop an attempted murder from occurring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 12 minutes ago, Fez said: So Columbus PD has done press conference on this already, recording here (the bodycam footage they play starts at 6 minutes and 40 seconds; and WARNING the shooting is shown): Less than 10 seconds after the police arrive, someone is charging someone else with a knife in hand. I don't know enough about tasers to say whether that would've been more appropriate, but from the footage it certainly appears that the police had literal seconds to act to stop an attempted murder from occurring. I think use of force here was proportional to what what was going on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin et al. Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Ormond said: I think you meant "savor". Way to be a grammar Nazi on Hitler's birthday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Just now, Chataya de Fleury said: I have absolutely no comment on that video, but “attempted murder” was something my neighbor’s fiancée wasn’t charged with when she went after Neighbor (my ex boyfriend) with a 10 inch steak knife. Dude had his salivary glands severed. In fact, they got married two months after. Not speaking on police actions, here, just the overly dramatic statement (IMO) “had literal seconds to stop an attempted murder”. From the officer’s perspective it very well may be, even if the intent from the girl was merely to hurt the person she was attempting to stab or cut that could still lead to that person dying. The story you’ve just described seems horrific example of domestic abuse with a man staying with his abuser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 8 minutes ago, Chataya de Fleury said: I have absolutely no comment on that video, but “attempted murder” was something my neighbor’s fiancée wasn’t charged with when she went after Neighbor (my ex boyfriend) with a 10 inch steak knife. Dude had his salivary glands severed. In fact, they got married two months after. Not speaking on police actions, here, just the overly dramatic statement (IMO) “had literal seconds to stop an attempted murder”. The victim was trying to stab someone else with a knife when she was shot. Without knowing all the facts in the lead up to the moment, it's impossible to know what, if anything, she might've been charged with if the police had been able to arrest her instead. However, considering the facts as the police knew them when the shooting occurred, I think its reasonable for them to think that an attempted murder was occurring. ETA: And to be clear, that's my language choice. All the police have said is that the incident is under investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fury Resurrected Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 12 minutes ago, Chataya de Fleury said: Yeah, and he literally was the breadwinner and the paycheck, so he had ZERO reasons to “stay with his abuser” other than his own f—ed up psychological bs. After all, he broke up with me for Attempted Knife Murderer. A steak knife dodged for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Reptitious Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 8 hours ago, Karlbear said: I'm less angry given this verdict, but I'm still really fucking angry about it. Fair enough. I can understand that sentiment. 4 hours ago, Ormond said: I think you meant "savor". Touché! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 7 hours ago, Chataya de Fleury said: Glad to see that I’m not the only one seeing a performative wokeness and cynibear. Although performative wokeness certainly isn’t limited to boarder. How is it "performative wokeness" to not expect this to change policing in America very much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Week Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Is the death penalty typically the punishment for attempted murder? Even 1st degree murder? Disarm police. Everything looks like a nail to a hammer. Use of firearms should be rare among public safety officers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin et al. Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Week said: Disarm police. Everything looks like a nail to a hammer. Use of firearms should be rare among public safety officers. It's impossible to disarm the police when there are more guns than people in our country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Week Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Tywin et al. said: It's impossible to disarm the police when there are more guns than people in our country. Impossible? Very unlikely, sure, but not unpossible, Ralphie. I would like to see a HUGE reduction in firearms available to police, seizure of all former military and quasi-military gear and vehicles, etc. This response also ignores the point - violence by the state (even if some people agree it is justified) should be terrifying and only used in the rarest of instances with the appropriate accountability and transparency afterwards. It should be STRESSFUL for police after they have killed someone - maybe they'll learn to deescalate and kill fewer people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Week said: Is the death penalty typically the punishment for attempted murder? Even 1st degree murder? Disarm police. Everything looks like a nail to a hammer. Use of firearms should be rare among public safety officers. Wait are referring to the girl attempting to stab someone? The shooting here wasn’t merely punishment. It served to potentially another human being’s life. The use of deadly force was justified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Week Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Varysblackfyre321 said: Wait are referring to the girl attempting to stab someone? The shooting here wasn’t merely punishment. It served to potentially another human being’s life. The use of deadly force was justified. No it was not. It should not be. It is a moral failure to consider this killing justified. What would a cop do if unarmed or if their gun failed? I'm sure they could manage to avoid killing a 16 year old girl in that instance - which demands the question, why did she deserve to die then? It was easier to just shoot her dead? After the officer murdered the 16yo girl - a man immediately yells at the officer, "You didn't have to shoot her! She's just a kid, man!" https://apnews.com/article/columbus-ohio-police-shooting-teenage-girl-0c04a74691f3f3fb3895d6220c729080 I will never call the police for any domestic disturbance for the same reason I don't own a gun - I'm more likely to die after inviting that danger into my home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 15 minutes ago, Week said: No it was not. It should not be. It is a moral failure to consider this killing justified. What would a cop do if unarmed or if their gun failed? I'm sure they could manage to avoid killing a 16 year old girl in that instance - which demands the question, why did she deserve to die then? It was easier to just shoot her dead? After the officer murdered the 16yo girl - a man immediately yells at the officer, "You didn't have to shoot her! She's just a kid, man!" https://apnews.com/article/columbus-ohio-police-shooting-teenage-girl-0c04a74691f3f3fb3895d6220c729080 I will never call the police for any domestic disturbance for the same reason I don't own a gun - I'm more likely to die after inviting that danger into my home. In the moment, it seems like the only alternative would've been to try to tackle the girl in black instead. However, based on the distance the officers were from her, it seems likely that the girl in pink would've gotten stabbed at least once. Probably not fatally, but you can't rule it out. And then there's a chance that the tackling officer gets injured by a wild knife swing before subduing the girl in black. With the benefit of hindsight it's easier to play out alternate options; but, considering how quickly events played, it's hard for me at least to say that the officer's action wasn't justified. Now if there were other officers on scene already, and they weren't de-escalating the situation, they should face some sort of sanction. However, the shooting officer appears to have arrived only seconds before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, Week said: No it was not. It should not be. It is a moral failure to consider this killing justified. What would a cop do if unarmed or if their gun failed? I'm sure they could manage to avoid killing a 16 year old girl in that instance - Try to stop her with a significant greater risk of seeing himself or the person who that girl was lunging at with a knife seriously wounded or even killed. 11 minutes ago, Week said: After the officer murdered the 16yo girl - a man immediately yells at the officer, "You didn't have to shoot her! She's just a kid, man!" Who was actively attacking someone with a knife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Week Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, Fez said: In the moment, it seems like the only alternative would've been to try to tackle the girl in black instead. However, based on the distance the officers were from her, it seems likely that the girl in pink would've gotten stabbed at least once. Probably not fatally, but you can't rule it out. And then there's a chance that the tackling officer gets injured by a wild knife swing before subduing the girl in black. With the benefit of hindsight it's easier to play out alternate options; but, considering how quickly events played, it's hard for me at least to say that the officer's action wasn't justified. Now if there were other officers on scene already, and they weren't de-escalating the situation, they should face some sort of sanction. However, the shooting officer appears to have arrived only seconds before. Roll up, fire 5 shots into a black kid, declare Blue Lives Matter in the face of the neighborhood. Policing by the book. https://www.rawstory.com/amp/cops-chant-blue-lives-matter-after-shooting-teen-2652666461?__twitter_impression=true We desperately need to reexamine our expectation of policing and police if this is an example of a justified killing and good outcome. Jesus Christ. Police killed a kid. We're so numb to it that it seems ok. It is not. The litany of armed, white mass murderers that have been arrested without harm speaks volumes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Week said: Roll up, fire 5 shots into a black kid, declare Blue Lives Matter in the face of the neighborhood. Policing by the book. https://www.rawstory.com/amp/cops-chant-blue-lives-matter-after-shooting-teen-2652666461?__twitter_impression=true We desperately need to reexamine our expectation of policing and police if this is an example of a justified killing and good outcome. Jesus Christ. Police killed a kid. We're so numb to it that it seems ok. It is not. Who was attacking someone with a knife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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