Jonelle Cerwyn

[Frey family reunion]

2 hours ago, Canon Claude said:

Well, Jonelle is still alive according to the latest appendix. So then, assuming either of these possibilities, what’s happened to her? How did she end up back in the North? And if she isn’t the Lady Cerwyn who signed Ramsay’s paper, where is Jonelle now?

If she went to the Twins, then at some point, she probably returned to her family's castle, because there is no indication of her at the Red Wedding.  I suppose it's possible that if she went to Riverrun, she never left and was still there when Jaime took it on behalf of the crown.  

Of course, there are darker possibilities for her fate.  After all, look what happened to poor Jeyne Poole.  Once your family starts dying off there is no one left to look after your wellbeing.

 

[Canon Claude]

16 hours ago, Frey family reunion said:

 

Of course, there are darker possibilities for her fate.  After all, look what happened to poor Jeyne Poole.  Once your family starts dying off there is no one left to look after your wellbeing.

 

Well, she’s definitely alive. But as to other dark possibilities, I doubt she’d be a prisoner at either the Dreadfort or the Twins. No mention is made of her when it comes to prisoners, and she’d certainly be listed as one of them if she were.

[Frey family reunion]

34 minutes ago, Canon Claude said:

Well, she’s definitely alive. But as to other dark possibilities, I doubt she’d be a prisoner at either the Dreadfort or the Twins. No mention is made of her when it comes to prisoners, and she’d certainly be listed as one of them if she were.

Maybe, it depends on what was done to her.  I dont' think that anyone ever advertised Falyse Stokeworth was being a prisoner of the crown.  Cersei just kind of made her disappear, in a very disturbing fashion.

[Canon Claude]

31 minutes ago, Frey family reunion said:

Maybe, it depends on what was done to her.  I dont' think that anyone ever advertised Falyse Stokeworth was being a prisoner of the crown.  Cersei just kind of made her disappear, in a very disturbing fashion.

Good point, but that might not be the same situation. The Freys would absolutely want to advertise their capture of the head of House Cerwyn (which Jonelle must be at this point). Ramsay wouldn’t care if people knew what he was doing to Lady Cerwyn but Roose absolutely would keep that quiet. Plus House Cerwyn’s survivors would absolutely raise hell if Jonelle was being held by another Northern house, let alone House Frey. 

[Groo]

On 11/14/2021 at 11:50 PM, Loose Bolt said:

Actually certain letter was signed by lord Dustin. So there seems to be at least one male who claims to be either ruling lord or heir of house Dustin.Naturally it is also possible that Barbrey is nowadays male and it was he who signed that letter Assuming that chapter A Dance with Dragons - Jon VI does not include typo.

You could be on to something here. In the Honor Harrington stories there had been a succession crisis in the Andermani Empire where legally only men could rule. Gustav Anderman VI was a nutter who named his rose bush as Chancellor of the Empire. He had only sisters and no children. They locked him up. Before a civil war over the succession could breakout, his oldest sister sat on the throne. She called herself a man, named herself Gustav VII, and defied anyone to say otherwise. She ruled for 38 years. Maybe, Barbrey is Lord Dustin. 

[Kinola]

On 11/13/2021 at 1:08 PM, StarksInTheNorth said:

*tinfoil hat* she’s actually Jon Snow’s biological mother. Lord Cerwyn took her on campaign for the rebellion and hoped his then-fifteen/sixteen year old could seduce Ned and stop the marriage with Cat. She did, but too late. *please note I’m being 98% sarcastic right now*

This would be one hell of a twist.  Also this would mean Jon was named after his mother (Jon/Jonelle). 

But even so, she could still have been bride material for someone, anyone. Since she went to the Riverlands with her dad, she could have been married off to a Riverland lord or heir to strengthen the North/RL alliance, and there's plenty of good houses to choose from—Mallister, Blackwood, Bracken, and Vance, to name a few. She could've been a Frey wife. Piper or Mooton, perhaps? Smallwood or Shawney? Maybe she could've been Edmure's wife had Robb kept his word and wedded Roslin.

[Floki of the Ironborn]

1 hour ago, Kinola said:

This would be one hell of a twist.  Also this would mean Jon was named after his mother (Jon/Jonelle). 

But even so, she could still have been bride material for someone, anyone. Since she went to the Riverlands with her dad, she could have been married off to a Riverland lord or heir to strengthen the North/RL alliance, and there's plenty of good houses to choose from—Mallister, Blackwood, Bracken, and Vance, to name a few. She could've been a Frey wife. Piper or Mooton, perhaps? Smallwood or Shawney? Maybe she could've been Edmure's wife had Robb kept his word and wedded Roslin.

She wouldn't marry into another house, though, someone else would marry into hers. And then there'd have been a Lord Cerwyn to put his signature to that message to Asha Greyjoy. 

[TheLastWolf]

11 hours ago, Frey family reunion said:

Cersei just kind of made her disappear, in a very disturbing fashion.

With a teeny bit of help from Qyburn 

[Daenerysthegreat]

I want few things clarified. What sort of vassal is house cerwyn. 

Is it like the umbers or the Hightowers having lower Lords under them 

Or is it like house baelish, zero vassals under them

[Kinola]

4 hours ago, Daenerysthegreat said:

I want few things clarified. What sort of vassal is house cerwyn. 

Is it like the umbers or the Hightowers having lower Lords under them 

Or is it like house baelish, zero vassals under them

The wiki says they're bannermen to the Starks (originally). One Cerwyn took a Stark girl to wife, and the Condons are sworn to them.

[Canon Claude]

5 hours ago, Daenerysthegreat said:

I want few things clarified. What sort of vassal is house cerwyn. 

Is it like the umbers or the Hightowers having lower Lords under them 

Or is it like house baelish, zero vassals under them

They’re one of the main houses sworn to House Stark. Given how they had troops to send south, more for Winterfell’s siege, and still some to spare in ADWD, they’re clearly strong enough to matter. Plus House Cerwyn has a history of being close to House Stark, literally and figuratively. Cregan Stark’s best friend was the then-head of House Cerwyn according to FaB.