BigFatCoward Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 Another big showing from the big man. Its terrifying what he might become. Anybody have Dallas 7-2? Luka still needs more help but he's fucking immense. It's going to take the clippers a while to figure it all out but it could be good to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proudfeet Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 Dallas wins Opponent standings by conference Spurs (13th) Nets (10th) Grizzlies (15th) Bulls (13th) Hornets (11th) Magic (7th) Clippers (11th) Losses Nuggets (1st) Raptors (8th) Its still early, and most teams haven't separated themselves from the pack in the middle, but so far it seems they've just had a favourable schedule. I thought the Clippers were doing fine before the trade. Westbrook was even shooting well. Maybe they weren't good enough to win, but Harden's defense outweighs any benefits they might get offensively. Unless he finally decides to put in some effort? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 4 hours ago, Proudfeet said: I thought the Clippers were doing fine before the trade. Westbrook was even shooting well. Maybe they weren't good enough to win, but Harden's defense outweighs any benefits they might get offensively. Unless he finally decides to put in some effort? Think about how the idea of Westbrook, Kawhi, George and Harden on the same team would have blown your mind six or seven years ago. But now today, it seems like the Clips are sort of an afterthought. Also, re the thread title, isn't it a shame that Kevin Durant rejected the nickname The Slim Reaper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proudfeet Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, Wilbur said: Think about how the idea of Westbrook, Kawhi, George and Harden on the same team would have blown your mind six or seven years ago. But now today, it seems like the Clips are sort of an afterthought. Also, re the thread title, isn't it a shame that Kevin Durant rejected the nickname The Slim Reaper? Other than Westbrook and maybe George, I think that each of them could elevate a team by themselves then. George had his unfortunate injury that might have stunted his peak, but its not that inconceivable. Still, that was then. And even then, I'd have doubted the fit with Harden and Westbrook even though they made the Finals as teammates. Plus George and Kawhi also play the same position. Even if it isn't a big deal to play up or down one position, you'd like a more natural fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 I strongly recommend this video on basketball movement and motion to anyone watching the NBA. This creator's point is focused on the international tournaments, but the concepts of movement and motion apply to the NBA season just as well. I think that this concept will play out in that an M&M team (the Kings, even the Thunder this season) will experience more positive outcomes than a static or heliocentric team (Atlanta, the Clips, etc.) Rhom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proudfeet Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 Eh, his logic is pretty heavy on hindsight as well. Think is it still focusing on what rather than why and how. You're not going to get good shots just by passing across the court. You need to draw defenders first. And how do you do that? I mean, he's not wrong. The Mitchell and Gobert Jazz did nothing but cross court passes that remarkably didn't result in many turnovers and became the number one offense, but they also collapsed in the playoffs. Also, a solid part of that number one offense is due entirely to Mitchell heroics. I think that teams should play to their strengths. Its ultimately just resource management. Whether you get space from a cross court pass or if you clear one side of the court for your star player to work one on one, you should lean on the one that most reliably gets your results and be ready to adapt if it doesn't. Not to mention that sometimes it just comes down to shot making. That same career and season 30% player that you deliberately leave open might air ball open corner threes and shoot 15-20% one night and make 70% of the same shots the next. It evens out in the long run, but in single games or even a short series, a hot streak might be all it takes for an upset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 Grizzlies better hope that Harden gets more playing time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 6 hours ago, A Horse Named Stranger said: Grizzlies better hope that Harden gets more playing time. -28 night in 29 minutes, lol. Idk why anyone would want him at this point. Anyways, Wolves win again with Ant scoring 33 despite not being able to throw the ball into the ocean from 3. Warriors look like they're in trouble if they don't make a major trade. Curry has no help right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted November 13, 2023 Author Share Posted November 13, 2023 6 hours ago, Tywin et al. said: -28 night in 29 minutes, lol. Idk why anyone would want him at this point. Philly must be over the moon to get rid of him, seeing how they are performing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baxus Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Why would anyone want Harden on their team? It's not as if he's just recently become toxic, off the top of my head, he's pulled the same stunt to get out of Rockets. It would be understandable if he was at his peak form but he hasn't been anywhere near that for ages now. On top of that, he would be earning 35M$ this season so it's not as if signing him would free up cap space or anything. His contract does expire at the end of the season, though, so Clippers might be planning a bit forward, I don't know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proudfeet Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 What I'm reading is that Ty Lue wants him to be more selfish and be himself. Seems like what they want is his peak. Apparently they didn't learn anything from the Lakers a couple of years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 3 hours ago, BigFatCoward said: Philly must be over the moon to get rid of him, seeing how they are performing. I guess the cliche is true sometimes, there can be addition by subtraction. They do need to add another top 50ish guy though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 I'm not surprised at all that the Clippers are worse and the Sixers are better with Harden gone. The Sixers still aren't talented enough to win the East, but they're closer than they were with Harden. Now at least they can focus on what Maxey+Embiid can do, and try and figure out what borderline all-star they might be able to pick up with their trade assets. With the Celtics and Bucks as strong as they are, it's hard to see them making a big enough move, but strange things can happen. This new Celtics team might really struggle with containing Embiid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Vader Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Basketball Americans ftw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Maithanet said: I'm not surprised at all that the Clippers are worse and the Sixers are better with Harden gone. The Sixers still aren't talented enough to win the East, but they're closer than they were with Harden. Now at least they can focus on what Maxey+Embiid can do, and try and figure out what borderline all-star they might be able to pick up with their trade assets. With the Celtics and Bucks as strong as they are, it's hard to see them making a big enough move, but strange things can happen. This new Celtics team might really struggle with containing Embiid. Celtics yes, but Bucks? I don't know, they have looked pretty terrible on the defensive end. They need to figure something out to add perimeter and transition defense to that roster, or they wont make it out of the second round. Been wondering if the Bucks still make the Lillard trade if they know he ends up in Boston. Edited November 13, 2023 by Relic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Maithanet said: ...This new Celtics team might really struggle with containing Embiid. Funny you should mention the Celtics defending Embiid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted November 14, 2023 Author Share Posted November 14, 2023 DeRozan did one of the best assists i've ever seen last night, can't link for some reason but go search it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, BigFatCoward said: DeRozan did one of the best assists i've ever seen last night, can't link for some reason but go search it out. Wow, you are not kidding! Let's see if this works - DeRozan continues his career-long cosplay of Old Man Jordan. Try that link for a mind-blowing pass. Edited November 14, 2023 by Wilbur added links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 The rookies this year have vastly exceeded my expectations. The NBA hasn't been this full of realized talent and expansive, attractive play since the 1980s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 The Chets are smacking the Wembys around. The Thunder could be a really scary team in the not too distant future with just the talent they have and they've got so many draft picks to play with for the rest of the decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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