Alden Rothack Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Balon, Renly, Tywin, Jon, Robb, Stannis and Mance all start with 20,000 men, which of them is victorious TheKnightOfTheNorth and Northern Sword 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad King Bolton Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Nice scenario. I'd say Stannis would win this hands down though Tywin isn't a bad tactician and Robb did well while underrated. Some were proven inept, some never got a shot, but didn't have an reason to think they'd be great battle commanders. I think the main thing is that Stannis waited out a long time before commiting himself to the field and when he did, his strategies were largely smart ones (even if he fell for well laid traps). Though there are many variables (do they fight on land or would Balon keep to the sea with his 20,000), I still think under any circumstance, Stannis is more likely to win. Who do you think? James Steller, Ser Arthurs Dawn and Aldarion 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Steller Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 In a chaotic brawl of seven armies, anything could happen. But I would be rooting for Stannis to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sword Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Off the top. You would have to think Stannis and Tywin have the edge, as they have lots of experience, so they would be the favorites. But Robb, never lost a battle and I wouldn't bet against Jon. Least likely imo is Balon, unless it is on the sea and Renly has little direct experience other than playing dress up. Absolute wild card. Mance. He is crafty enough to win with the right conditions. So many variables. Land/Sea. Who their sub commanders are. Terrain. Difference in how they are armed and armored. Experience of the troops. Who has home turf. The make up of the 20,000(Horse, bows, infantry) All things being equal. Stannis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moiraine Sedai Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 4 hours ago, Alden Rothack said: Balon, Renly, Tywin, Jon, Robb, Stannis and Mance all start with 20,000 men, which of them is victorious Mance comes out on top. I want to say Tywin but Mance is quite the clever barbarian. Balon and Jon would fare the worst. Robb and Stannis would handle theirs well enough. Renly is a wild card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aejohn the Conqueroo Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Balon's army is useless off their boats, but somehow they defeat Stannis' men before succumbing to Tywin's Jon gets duped trying to make peace with Tywin Renley does the same thing right after Jon does. Mance's 20000 are 300 warriors and 19700 refugees and quickly dispatched Robb meets a girl along the way Tywin, after manipulating all of his other enemies into either fighting amoung themselves or getting isolated enough that he can handle them himself finally has to go up against Stannis who eventually defeats him because his forces are fresh because he pretended to lose to the Iron Born and route, but in fact hid up at the wall and have returned in force now that there's only one rival left standing. Northern Sword, Aldarion and Ser Arthurs Dawn 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 I think Jon and Robb would almost certainly have an unspoken alliance. That'd be a huge edge against the others if they don't make it too obvious from the start enough to cause everyone else to initially gang up on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaffronLady Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 1 hour ago, Lord Lannister said: I think Jon and Robb would almost certainly have an unspoken alliance. That'd be a huge edge against the others if they don't make it too obvious from the start enough to cause everyone else to initially gang up on them. Would the others be able to trust each other enough to band together, though? There is chronic backstabber Balon, the Baratheon brothers, and a wildling in this mix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alden Rothack Posted January 6 Author Share Posted January 6 2 hours ago, SaffronLady said: Would the others be able to trust each other enough to band together, though? There is chronic backstabber Balon, the Baratheon brothers, and a wildling in this mix. in this situation yes as only Balon is the only actual idiot in the pack 16 hours ago, Moiraine Sedai said: Mance comes out on top. I want to say Tywin but Mance is quite the clever barbarian. Balon and Jon would fare the worst. Robb and Stannis would handle theirs well enough. Renly is a wild card. lol, I think Balon, Mance, Tywin and Renly lose early Tywin is one of the better commanders but nobody likes him Aldarion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moiraine Sedai Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 7 hours ago, Alden Rothack said: in this situation yes as only Balon is the only actual idiot in the pack lol, I think Balon, Mance, Tywin and Renly lose early Tywin is one of the better commanders but nobody likes him Being liked in Westeros is not as important as having respect. Jon and Balon are not smart enough to lead the troops to survive. Mance is unfortunately smart enough though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alden Rothack Posted January 6 Author Share Posted January 6 9 minutes ago, Moiraine Sedai said: Being liked in Westeros is not as important as having respect. Jon and Balon are not smart enough to lead the troops to survive. Mance is unfortunately smart enough though. Mance is still at a serious disadvantage because none of the others like, respect or fear him because of the low quality of his troops, Tywin is feared, Stannis is respected, Robb was respected and feared until his mistakes made his cause collapse. Balon really is an idiot, Jon isn't to anywhere near the same degree and he has people he can ally with which Balon refuses to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moiraine Sedai Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 On 1/6/2024 at 9:57 AM, Alden Rothack said: Mance is still at a serious disadvantage because none of the others like, respect or fear him because of the low quality of his troops, Tywin is feared, Stannis is respected, Robb was respected and feared until his mistakes made his cause collapse. Balon really is an idiot, Jon isn't to anywhere near the same degree and he has people he can ally with which Balon refuses to do Robb used force, his attack mutt, to get respect. He was pretty smart in tactics but awful at governing. It was stupid to break his oath to Walder and dumb to kill Karstark. And Jon is just as dumb as Balon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alden Rothack Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 On 1/11/2024 at 1:25 PM, Moiraine Sedai said: Robb used force, his attack mutt, to get respect. He was pretty smart in tactics but awful at governing. It was stupid to break his oath to Walder and dumb to kill Karstark. And Jon is just as dumb as Balon. Jon is not as dumb as Balon, i have my doubts that Jinglebell is as dumb as Balon is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moiraine Sedai Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 On 1/25/2024 at 9:06 AM, Alden Rothack said: Jon is not as dumb as Balon, i have my doubts that Jinglebell is as dumb as Balon is Maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alden Rothack Posted February 4 Author Share Posted February 4 On 1/26/2024 at 2:30 PM, Moiraine Sedai said: Maybe. you doubt Jinglebell is as dumb as Balon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Can they join forces? I see Robb and Jon teaming up to take down Balon. Northern Sword 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alden Rothack Posted February 4 Author Share Posted February 4 1 hour ago, Craving Peaches said: Can they join forces? I see Robb and Jon teaming up to take down Balon. honestly either of them would beat Balon anyway, hes only not the worst of the kings because his troop quality is better than Mances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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