Mikaze Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 [quote name='Marwyn' post='1435756' date='Jul 10 2008, 17.51']9. A contradiction cannot exist in reality. Not in part, nor in whole[/quote] This rule alone seems pretty counterproductive when it comes to understanding human nature. Quick question: How on earth has the TV Tropes page for Sword of Truth avoided a WikiEditWar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin of Ice Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 [quote name='Mikaze' post='1436069' date='Jul 11 2008, 02.05']This rule alone seems pretty counterproductive when it comes to understanding human nature. Quick question: How on earth has the TV Tropes page for Sword of Truth avoided a WikiEditWar?[/quote] As a frequent TV Tropes editor, my guess would be because the vast majority of editors over there despise it. There are a few mentions of it in a neutral or positive light, but the vast majority are either coming down on it or shaking their heads at the vast amounts of screwed up morality and warped Mary Suedom at work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WLU Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 [quote name='Jaxom 1974' post='1435981' date='Jul 10 2008, 23.59']Is it bashing if the discourse is meaningful? ;)[/quote] Goodkind poisons the well. Meaningful discourse is impossible when the premises are [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prima_facie"]prima facie[/url] stupid. OK, that's not fair, but I'm uncertain of the original context of the discussion. So I revert to mocking. In my defense, my contact with the board to date was less than supportive of dialogue with fans. [quote name='Mikaze' post='1436069' date='Jul 11 2008, 02.05']This rule alone seems pretty counterproductive when it comes to understanding human nature. Quick question: How on earth has the TV Tropes page for Sword of Truth avoided a WikiEditWar?[/quote] Ha! I tried to get TV Tropes [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/TV_Tropes_Wiki&oldid=212171113"]deleted [/url]from wikipedia. Don't hate me because I'm a deletionist. If I had to guess, I'd say it's 'cause TV Tropes requires registration for editing. But POI's answer is doubtless more correct. Damn you for sucking me in Westeros! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreverlad Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 Carrying a conversation over from Tomatoes 2 discussing Goodkind's writing since it'll probably be more mock-worthy than really worth debating. A few other interesting things from one of the Q&As with TG (originally found [url="http://www.terrygoodkind.com/communicate/q_and_a.html"]here[/url]) From Jon: On to the question. As I have heard with the writing process, many drafts, corrections, and even complete rewriting of themes and events take place before the text can reach publication. Do you find these reviews helpful in 'cleaning up' events so as to not leave any unnecessary loose ends? Secondly, are there any specific events, characters, or themes that you would have written differently? That is to say, with how the series has moved forward, do you find yourself 'painted into a corner' with earlier statements? TG: [quote]I know that what you describe is a common belief and there is truth to it for many writers, but I personally find it horrifying to even contemplate such a writing process. It in no way describes the manner in which I work. What you describe is an author creating action without cause, events without meaning. At its root, such a work is an expression of confusion and helplessness. (goes on at length about the breakdown of a book) It would have been impossible to write FAITH OF THE FALLEN had I not understood completely what it was I was trying to accomplish, why I thought it was important, and how to do it. With the very first sentence ('She didn't remember dying') I was beginning to define the theme of that book and name the stakes. Had I not understood my philosophy completely I could not have written such a coherent book.[/quote] (Question: how does 'She didn't remember dying' relate to the theme of Faith of the Fallen? She died (for a few seconds) due to the results of the previous book and spends the entirety of this book fighting a war or trying to get Richard back. The only references to death revolve around the socialist society believing life is pain, payment on the glory that is the afterlife, which isn't even mentioned until the latter half of the book) Anyways, TG says: [quote]'There is no event, no character, that I would have done differently in any way. In my mind it is all the only way it could be.'[/quote] (Well of course, what would have happened if Klan had actually gotten raped? Gosh, someone might have to research rape recovery and actually deal with it.) [quote]'That is not to say that along the way I don't have to stop and think some of the details through. My books are, after all, extremely complex. But thinking during the writing is an orderly process, with clear issues to be addressed and resolved. It is not a confused, desperate attempt to leap over wet paint. '[/quote] (Phew! Infinite monkeys ≠ Shakespeare ) Slightly different subject matter, but still quite interesting to read: ConfessrT> Good Evening Mr. Goodkind, my first question is. What advice would you give someone trying to break into the business? Would you suggest get a Master or just going with your gut? [code]Terry Goodkind> my opinion is that all true writers are self made, and that colleges can be but are not necessarily are very destructive forces. The chief aim of any college is political indoctrination to prevent you from thinking. But I am sure there must be a couple out there that encourage free thought. Although they would be rare because college campuses are the most repressive environment in the country.[/code] (If you dare read these numerous volumes on contrasting opinions you will be unable to see the glory that is the truth of Objectivism. Without objectivism, there is no freedom.) I really don't have the patience to pull up anything more right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marwyn Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 Haha. Awesome interview. He really seems to think of himself as the greatest writer in the world. [quote name='Tairy']I think that's critical. I get letters from people all the time saying, "I'm 13 years old and I want to write a book and get it published. What's the secret? What do I do?" You can't explain to people that they're just not intellectually prepared to write a novel. A novel is a thing of incredible complexity. Human beings are genetically evolved to understand the most subtle clues from other human beings. The most fascinating thing in the world to us is other people, and because we are so hyper-connected to the way other people behave, and to the body language [signals] they give off, the meaning in their words that are different from what they may be saying, and their moods—all those kinds of things make writing about human beings the most difficult thing in the world.[/quote] Body Language. Like kicking someone in the jaw? Or ripping someone's spine out? That's indeed extremely subtle and complex. [quote]Terry Goodkind: Ayn Rand is the inventor of the objectivist philosophy. I consider her the greatest thinker since Aristotle. She made advances in the world of philosophy that no one since Aristotle has made. Her thinking on concept formation is truly groundbreaking and explains so much about philosophy that's never been explained before. I'm much more fascinated by her non-objective writing on philosophy than on her fiction. Her fiction is kind of a way to popularize her ideas, to put them in a story form, like I was talking about, how sitting around a campfire, you passed around your tribe's philosophy to the younger generation.[/quote] Since he never reads books, how can he possibly say this, and mean it? [quote]I'm not trying to teach objectivism in books; these [the Sword of Truth books] are just fun stories.[/quote] Kay. Lol [quote]If you believe in heroic individuals, you write about heroic individuals. If you think that life is purposeless and meaningless, you write stories like that—and your books are meaningless and pointless, and miserable.[/quote] Heroic individuals.. hmmm. Weren't you supposed to live your own life as an individual etc etc ? Writing a REALISTIC book without the Nobleness of the Human Spirit and Important Human Themes and Objectivism in it doesn't mean the book is purposeless and meaningless, dear Sir. [quote]While I do enjoy video games, it has always saddened me that the arrival of a new game, or a new movie, or some sort of new-fangled form of entertainment causes consumers to line up around city blocks in anticipation, but literature no longer has that effect, at least not in comparison to other mediums. Terry Goodkind: Absolutely, I completely agree.[/quote] Oh yeah. Cause TG is probably queueing for every new good literature book that's coming out. (speaking for myself: i'd sleep a few days in front of a bookstore if that'd get me aDwD faster. I wouldnt do that for ANY game or movie) [quote]Q: Back on the subject of objectivism, I've always had some difficulty in fully understanding it, because it seems riddled with contradictions, something I don't believe can exist. Objectivism states that I have the right to pursue my own happiness, but not at the expense of someone else's; that also works vice versa. Yet it seems that in any given scenario, someone's happiness will always be sacrificed for another person's. Terry Goodkind: You have no right to anyone else's life. So, you have no right, for example, to rob someone.[/quote] Because dick doesnt harm anyone in the series? [quote]Terry Goodkind: You're not sacrificing their happiness if they drown, because you're not the one who threw them in the river. If you are the one who threw them in the river, then yeah [you sacrificed their happiness]. People are dying all over the world every day, all the time. It's not your job to save them. By not jumping into the river, you're not causing [them to die]. You have to make a judgment on your own abilities. If you can jump into the river and you're a really good swimmer, then you're going to feel more of an obligation to [try to save them]. But if you're afraid of the water, it's going to be a true, sincere risk to your life...why should you sacrifice your life to save this person? You're not the one who threw them into the water. You're not obligated to give your life away to save that person.[/quote] Would you, in all honesty, walk past a drowning person? I thought a lot of the objectivism mockery on the forums was just exaggerated. But yeah, it doesn't seem so >.< it's even worse than I thought. Is this actually Terry Goodkind talking? Do people actually believe this, agree with it? [quote]In a way, the Sword of Truth series has been my way of railing against the stupidity of which way the world is going. In the great sweep of history, mankind goes between nobility and darkness. You see the nobility of the Greek civilization, the renaissance—those kinds of time periods where great motivations of mankind are put toward the betterment of mankind.[/quote] The betterment of mankind? But there's no greater good, right? It's every individual for himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosicus Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Contradictions cannot exist Terry tends to contradict himself Contradictions cannot exist Everything Terry says must be taken at face value and never disputed, or you're a life-hater Because contradictions cannot exist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKassi Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Foolish Lemmings I have come forth to tellith unto you that the end is really fuckin' brawk. Resign thyself. All is lost. The yeard is dead. Long live the dome. Behold the the face of your destruction, but do not bother to repent. Mercy for the lemming is treason to the goat. [url="http://www.terrygoodkind.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11108"]http://www.terrygoodkind.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11108[/url] In Richards name we pray. Almost rape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry. Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 The Yeard is no more? :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Road To Awe Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 On the subject of Wizard's Rules being contradictory, how about the one about forgiveness and the one about deserving victory? 4. "There is magic in sincere forgiveness, the magic to heal. In forgiveness you grant, but more so, in forgiveness you receive." Forgiving and being forgiven are powerful elements of healing for the soul. Forgiving others grants by the giving of forgiveness but more so one receives self healing by the necessity of letting go of bitterness through forgiveness of other. 8. "Deserve victory." Be justified in your convictions. Be completely committed. Earn what you want and need rather than waiting for others to give you what you desire. That's what wikipedia says. It doesn't seem like you can deserve victory if you can forgive others. The whole speech about eating meat seems like a repudiation of the fourth rule, since acknowledging someone was worthy of forgiveness means they're not just strawmen set up to be knocked down, doesn't it? [quote name='MinDonner' post='1429969' date='Jul 7 2008, 01.47']On the subject of Devastator, it's a no-brainer. Five chins to kick, five spines to rip, and we all know the inferiority of centipede-like fighting. However, I'm not convinced that Dick would be fighting [i]against[/i] Devastator anyway. OK, "decepticon" is a bit like "deception" ie. the opposite of Truth, but I can't see Dick's little foibles being accepted by the noble Optimus either. Maybe he'd be like Circuit Breaker and fight against both sides... :unsure:[/quote] The 'noble' Optimus Prime? At first, you might [i]think[/i] he's noble, for after all, doesn't he say [b]freedom[/b] is the right of all sentient beings? But you'd be wrong. Freedom is not for [b]all [/b]sentient beings, only individual humans with noble spirits and important themes. And it is not a right. It must be deserved, like victory. And beneath the surface, there's something even more insidious. Let's refresh ourselves to the Imperial Order Boy Brigade motto: ‘I can be nothing alone. My life has meaning only through dedication to others. Together [b]we all are one[/b], of one mind, for one purpose.’ What does Optimus Prime say when he passes on leadership of the Autobots to Ultra Magnus (after sacrificing his life for his fellow Autobots)? After defeating Unicron, what do the Autobots chant? 'Until the day when [b]all are one[/b].' and 'Til all are one! 'Til all are one! 'Til all are one!' IMO it's clear that Richard would fight against both sides. :D The Transformers are robots, not human beings, so they can't have noble human spirits or important human themes, and heck, just look at them! Both groups are incredibly diverse! In fact, you might say they are culturally diverse (compare and contrast the logical, scientific Jetfire and Perceptor against the savage Dinobots, or Soundwave and Shockwave against the Stunticons) . . . dare I say [b]weirdo[/b] culturally diverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry. Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Nice to see the [url="http://www.malazanempire.com/forums/showpost.php?p=350195&postcount=1484"]Malazan Empire forum[/url] people have added their own touch to the new photo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pita Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Mr. Terry pities the fool! Does anyone else agree? WLU, I'm glad you're back. I also hope you will end this Enigma insanity that seems to follow me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isabel Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 [quote name='Dylanfanatic' post='1437395' date='Jul 12 2008, 11.20']The Yeard is no more? :o[/quote] No Goodkind proves again he is ripping off Jordan. I think this is the ultimate proof. Jordan had good reason to shave of his hair and looking cool. Everyone told him he looked cool. And now Goodkind wants to try that as wel.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry. Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Possible. Still think he's showing off his liver spots... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreverlad Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 [quote name='TheKassi' post='1437367' date='Jul 12 2008, 04.09']Foolish Lemmings I have come forth to tellith unto you that the end is really fuckin' brawk. Resign thyself. All is lost. The yeard is dead. Long live the dome. Behold the the face of your destruction, but do not bother to repent. Mercy for the lemming is treason to the goat. [url="http://www.terrygoodkind.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11108"]http://www.terrygoodkind.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11108[/url] In Richards name we pray. Almost rape.[/quote] Uh oh, he's got The Beald Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myshkin Posted July 12, 2008 Author Share Posted July 12, 2008 Fools, the Yeard is not a corporeal thing, it is a way of life!!!! Tairy has no need of a physical beard/ponytail combination, for the Yeard, the true essence of the Yeard, is inside of him!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WLU Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 My girlfriend saw the picture of the new bald Tairy and said "Isn't that Terry Goodkind, that douchebag author you hate? Why is he wearing a wetsuit." And that's why I love her. Perhaps his new series is underwater and he's performing research? And he shaved the yeard so he would be more hydrodynamic? Pita, I've no idea what the enigma insanity is, but I'm sure with concerted effort, almost-rape and a huge set of fake boobs, you'll get through it. I've not read the previous threads since my last round of posting in November '07. I will say that Tairy is a fool, but I've no pity for him (considerable amounts of contempt though). [quote name='Dylanfanatic' post='1437603' date='Jul 12 2008, 13.19']Possible. Still think he's showing off his liver spots...[/quote] True. To be bald and bad-ass, you usually need to be kinda muscular as well. He's more lanky, which is to say skinny. It just makes him look old. Like Chuck Norris after a couple rounds of chemo. It's funny, it looks like he has smile lines, but we all know he has never smiled. Probably scars from pit-fighting chickens or something. Foreverlad, beald will never catch on. Sorry. We'll have to wait for Mystar to come up with a new, easily mockable typo and use that instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreverlad Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 [quote name='WLU' post='1437652' date='Jul 12 2008, 15.29']Foreverlad, beald will never catch on. Sorry. We'll have to wait for Mystar to come up with a new, easily mockable typo and use that instead.[/quote] Nothing, and I repeat NOTHING will replace THE YEARD. I consider the beald to be the bald hen-that-is-not-a-hen stepchild to THE YEARD's Chicken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shining Enigma Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 [font="Book Antiqua"][size=3]Ah, the essence of Truth; that ever-important component for living a noble life, is of course, exactly what our illustrious Goodkind commandeers.[/size][/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Road To Awe Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 [quote name='The Pita Enigma' post='1437598' date='Jul 12 2008, 10.07']Mr. Terry pities the fool! Does anyone else agree?[/quote] Pity leads to caring. Caring leads to compassion. Compassion leads to altruism. The Death-choosing does this path lead to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shining Enigma Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 [font="Book Antiqua"][size=3]On a side note (of no particular import): Pita, if no-one else believes you, at least know this - that I do. I do. Any other response would be a contradiction of the most impertinent sort. Truth out. [/size][/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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