Mathis Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 ^Those people paid Adebayor's wages for years.No, they didn't. Arsenal football club payed his wages. I wonder, are you one of those idiots who likes to give policemen orders in the belief that you pay their salaries?He's a scummy fucker and I hope someone teaches him a lesson. 6 weeks is fine, but Van Persie should have killed him.He's a professional sportsman, the least he can do is act professionally. If he can't, he shouldn't play. They live an easy lifestyle, it's not like he's being treated badly at his club or at the last club really. It was his own fault the fans he hated him. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcibiades Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Argive,I think you come up with a good point in reference to the current system regarding the banning of a player following a red card, or in this case tribunal of some kind. I hadn't ever given it much thought, even though I always thought it was unfair that the team he was sent off against don't benefit longer than 10 minutes in many cases, and your idea for banning the player for the next occasion he faces that opponent is a good one. A mix of the current system and that method may be the way forward if they decide an amendment is needed.Yeah. The only issue I can think of is if the player in question were traded away before he could serve that suspension. I guess they could convert the suspension into a fine for the club. /shrug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renasko Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 No, they didn't. Arsenal football club payed his wages.That is a simple reply. Where do Arsenal football club get their money from? Thin air? They're able to pay massive wages to the likes of Adebayor because the fans pack their stadiums out every week, etc. So, those people did indeed pay him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathis Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 That is a simple reply. Where do Arsenal football club get their money from? Thin air? They're able to pay massive wages to the likes of Adebayor because the fans pack their stadiums out every week, etc. So, those people did indeed pay him.Wrong. The fans payed Arsenal FC to watch football in its stadium and to wear its replica shirts and whatever else. Thats it. Thats what they payed for and they got their money's worth. The fans are paying customers, not shareholders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcibiades Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Wrong. The fans payed Arsenal FC to watch football in its stadium and to wear its replica shirts and whatever else. Thats it. Thats what they payed for and they got their money's worth. The fans are paying customers, not shareholders.Despite the fact that they're not formal shareholders, fans rightly feel a sense of ownership over the club. This isn't misplaced when you pay ridiculous prices for replica kits and stadium seats (particularly at the Emirates). They do so with the knowledge that the money goes to the club, and they accept that they over pay, because they want their club to be financially sound.If it were a simple calculation of entertainment dollars, or clothing purchases, there are far better ways to spend one's money. People do these things to support their club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathis Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Despite the fact that they're not formal shareholders, fans rightly feel a sense of ownership over the club.Fans wrongly feel a sense of ownership. They're deluded. The authorities shouldn't indulge them in their fantasies.This isn't misplaced when you pay ridiculous prices for replica kits and stadium seats (particularly at the Emirates). They do so with the knowledge that the money goes to the club, and they accept that they over pay, because they want their club to be financially sound.They pay for the entertainment and the sense of belonging that comes from supporting a local (or not so local depending on your affiliation) football club. If they feel that the price isn't worth it then they don't pay. Simples, as Chelsea fans might say.If it were a simple calculation of entertainment dollars, or clothing purchases, there are far better ways to spend one's money.So what's stopping them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon AS Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Fans wrongly feel a sense of ownership. They're deluded. The authorities shouldn't indulge them in their fantasies.Legally speaking you may have a point, but a football club is not a normal business by any stretch of the imagination. Most clubs have been around much longer than football as a business has been. A club does not just consist of its first team, they have various youth teams, amateur teams and often compete in various other sports besides football (though usually these days the football part of any such club is a seperate legal entity). A club allows you to become a member if you want to, and in most cases that means that the people running the club have to justify their decisions in front of an assembly of club members at least once a year.A certain sense of ownership is not misplaced for a fan IMO, though using this as an excuse to verbally abuse or even physically attack players is taking it too far.I would disagree with this. Certainly mob tendencies exist, but I don't think it's nearly as prevalent in other sportsIt depends on the situation. Any crowd in an emotionally charged atmosphere can easily get out of control. Football matches tend create this kind of atmosphere more often than many other events, which probably has various causes but one that should not be overlooked is the sheer number of high attendance football games played worldwide on a weekly basis. The popularity of the sport guarantees it will make headlines in both positive and negative ways very often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padraig Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 I can understand that; I don't like it, but it is practical.Exactly. This is a very practical rule. You just have to be aware of the history of the sport to understand why it exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multaniette Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 The Bordeaux/Juventus game was a delight to watch. The British teams were disappointing and Wolfsburg and Real cruised along. Athletico Madrid should be ashamed of themselves and the Haifa/Bayern match was surprisingly high quality, in bits. Aside from that, screw Milan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJDonegal Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Now that's the kind of performance Arsenal needed to show they can give. Away from home and 2-0 down, then came back to win 3-2. Throw that in with games like the 6-1 against Everton and 4-1 against Portsmouth, and we've shown we can annihilate and comeback. The city of Manchester doesn't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltaran Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 The city of Manchester doesn't exist.What, we're Welsh now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renasko Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Ah, it's going to be an awkward affair on Sunday, then. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcibiades Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 I worry that Sunday is going to be a defensively dull 0:0 or 1:0 affair. I really hope we get some open play, because there is a lot of potential in this manchester derby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daeric Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Tbh I don't see much hope for City, since they are missing so many of their strikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 It probably will be a fairly dull match, because we're entirely set up to play on the counter and very good at it, and City aren't bad either, so neither one will want to overcommit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJDonegal Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 I'd imagine that two teams who like to attack on the counter would make for a very entertaining game, such as the 4-2 that didn't recently happen between Man City and Arsenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Now that's the kind of performance Arsenal needed to show they can give. Away from home and 2-0 down, then came back to win 3-2. Throw that in with games like the 6-1 against Everton and 4-1 against Portsmouth, and we've shown we can annihilate and comeback. The city of Manchester doesn't exist.I hate to rain on the parade, but while coming back from 2-0 down to win is always good, at the same time it means that you were at one point 2-0 down to arguably the weakest team in the CL. I wouldn't be breaking out the champagne just yet. ;)Good result for Rangers, I thought: away draw against Stuttgart is a nice start to the group. Now the trick will be not to screw up against the Romanians... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon AS Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Stuttgart don't seem to care about the CL. What an apathetic performance in the second half. Going by the first 45 minutes, they should have easily won this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 By that argument, and judging by the BL table, they don't seem to care about the Bundesliga either. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kve Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Standard the weakest team in the CL. Not realy, last year they made it very hard for liverpool to qualify for the CL and then went on to beat Everton for the UEFA cup ticket. Furthermore, I didn't think Arsenal looked good yesterday, though they deserved the win. Fabregas played very poor and we have Eduardo to thank for the 1-0. Also the 2-2 was preceded by hands (Song). So it could have turned out very different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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