Odds of Jaime and Brienne Ending Up Together

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This could be nice, but do you really think that Jaime would be able to kill his sister?

He’s now starting to grow away from Cersei, but it’s a whole other level to go to KL and murder her.

I think he would if it came down to her or Brienne, yeah. It will kind of be his turning point/epiphany, his moment when he finally sees Cersei for what she is. And something else might occur before then (like Cersei hurting one of her children) to further drive him.

Wraps things up very neatly. Too neat for George, Imho, because life is not neat.

Actually I think "too neatly" would be Jaime and Brienne escaping UnCat and living happily ever after. These plot points have to be resolved in some way, it's not about being "neat."

[David Selig]

Here's what I can see happening.

Brienne delivers Jaime to UnCat. He tries to explain to UnCat that he's changed, he didn't have anything to do with Robb's murder, etc. She doesn't believe him, but says that if he kills Cersei, he's in the clear, knowing that it's a suicide mission. More than that, if he doesn't go kill Cersei, UnCat will kill Brienne. Jaime can't refuse, knowing what Brienne's gone through and deep down being in love with her or on the way to being in love with her.

Before Jaime goes (escorted, of course, to make sure he behaves), he and Brienne confess their feelings and maybe possibly Do It. Jaime goes with his guerilla escort and succeeds in killing Cersei to save Brienne before he is then killed himself by her guards. Brienne is devastated and decides to remain unmarried in mourning.

This closes the UnCat-Brienne-Jaime plot and solves the valonqar mystery, and Jaime and Cersei go out together like they came in.

Interesting idea, but I just don't buy that UnCat would release Jaime in such a way. Especially after what happened the previous time she did that. Even if he convince her somehow that he's not to blame for the Red Wedding, he still admitted to crippling Bran.

The BWB won't stand for it either - given how many of them have suffered a lot due to the actions of the Lannisters, they'd want their vengeance.

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Interesting idea, but I just don't buy that UnCat would release Jaime in such a way. Especially after what happened the previous time she did that. Even if he convince her somehow that he's not to blame for the Red Wedding, he still admitted to crippling Bran.

The BWB won't stand for it either - given how many of them have suffered a lot due to the actions of the Lannisters, they'd want their vengeance.

I don't think she'll let him go off on his own, on his word. He'd have some "escorts" along to make sure he fulfills his end of it.

[Maroucia]

Interesting idea, but I just don't buy that UnCat would release Jaime in such a way. Especially after what happened the previous time she did that. Even if he convince her somehow that he's not to blame for the Red Wedding, he still admitted to crippling Bran.

The BWB won't stand for it either - given how many of them have suffered a lot due to the actions of the Lannisters, they'd want their vengeance.

Jaime’s only way out might be to kill UnCat, but how could he do it since she’s already death and is also surrounded by the BWB?

And then, he has no sword hand… Did Payne come with him and Brienne? If I remember correctly, he did not, so it’s really up to him and Brienne to defend themselves.

Jaime is going to have to pull a Tyrion and think of something clever to get out of that situation.

Now that I think about it, Tyrion might be witty, but he has always dealt the exact same way when surrounded by enemies he couldn’t fight: he promised gold.

Unfortunately for Jaime, the BWB, and UnCat especially, don’t seem to care that much about money, so Jaime is going to have to think of something else…

[Lady Octarina]

Actually I think "too neatly" would be Jaime and Brienne escaping UnCat and living happily ever after. These plot points have to be resolved in some way, it's not about being "neat."

But that's the thing, they would hardly live happily ever after. I like your idea of how things might go, but it seems too good an end for Jaime. Not that I'm among those who still think he's a monster, but which would be better, character-wise: he dies with the sister he's just killed and by whose side he came to life, or he survives and has to live with the blame of kinslaying the woman he loved for nearly all his life, failing to protect his children, and being kicked out of the Kingsguard? Dying right after killing Cersei sounds like a blessing to me :dunno:

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But that's the thing, they would hardly live happily ever after. I like your idea of how things might go, but it seems too good an end for Jaime. Not that I'm among those who still think he's a monster, but which would be better, character-wise: he dies with the sister he's just killed and by whose side he came to life, or he survives and has to live with the blame of kinslaying the woman he loved for nearly all his life, failing to protect his children, and being kicked out of the Kingsguard? Dying right after killing Cersei sounds like a blessing to me :dunno:

I based that sort of ending on the foreshadowing that they'll die at roughly the same time.

[DannySpud]

But that's the thing, they would hardly live happily ever after. I like your idea of how things might go, but it seems too good an end for Jaime. Not that I'm among those who still think he's a monster, but which would be better, character-wise: he dies with the sister he's just killed and by whose side he came to life, or he survives and has to live with the blame of kinslaying the woman he loved for nearly all his life, failing to protect his children, and being kicked out of the Kingsguard? Dying right after killing Cersei sounds like a blessing to me :dunno:

I can see a Jamie viewpoint where he wants to be killed by the Kingsguard after murdering Cersei so they can die together, but "the gods are cruel".

[terra2884]

What are the chances? I'd say 0.0001%

At first I thought, they go up if Cersei dies and Jaime survives. I think GRRM has made it really, really obvious that Jaime is a one woman man. So if she dies, well, maybe there will be another woman, not necessarily Brienne.

But I think the other thing GRRM is making clear is that Jaime has become very, very serious about the Kingsguard. He may be there for another 30 years. Even if it's the Targs that come back into power, because, you know what, Jaime may end up doing something for Rhaegar's son that puts him on the throne. So long as you don't believe he's the mummer's dragon, of course.

you may be on to something with him doing something for Rhaegar's son (sister), He may take oathkeeper and widow's wail after they have been tempered and have them reforged maybe by Gendry and take the new sword (lightbringer) to Jon or give it to Dany...

It could be tempered by Undead Cat's death , the death of Brienne or Cersie ... or maybe both swords will not be reforged but still tempered and they could both be lightbringer - the death of Aryia (gendry might do that after she becomes a faceless man)..... just some thoughts of mine.

[Howling Mad]

My best Jimmy the Greek: 20 to 1

[Red Raven]

What are the chances? I'd say 0.0001%

Pretty much. Optimistically I'd like to see them end up on the same Kings/Queensguard and be battle buddy besties but probably one or even both is going to die.

you may be on to something with him doing something for Rhaegar's son (sister)

It would be symmetrical - he removed one Targ from the throne, it would be fitting if he put another one on it. Having Gendry reforge the two swords back into Ice to present to a legitimized Jon would also be a lovely way to try to restore his honor.

Meanwhile, UnCat is outside pounding on the door, "BRAAAAINS!...BRAAAIIINS!..."

[lostinwesteros]

Yeah, I'd really like to see the two of them end up together. Each has helped the other grow deeper, more committed to honor and to what's "ethically right". Each has grown enough to relinquish the prejudical view each had of the other and to look beneath the surface. Each of them has also suffered a physical disfiguration since they first set off from Riverun together, set in contrast to the internal growth/healing each has experienced since then.

I think the threads have finally convinced me of the folly of expecting Brienne to, truly, take Jaime to Sansa, who's with the Hound. :tantrum:

So, I guess it boils down to an unhappy ending of one sort or another. I'm convinced Jaime is the Valonquar, so he'll have to survive an encounter with unCat, and I hope like hell Brienne is not unDead, but in no possible scenario do they stand much of a chance of ending up together, alas and alack.

[rmholt]

Uncat killed Brienne. then she breathed life back into her, creating the unBrienne. Maybe Uncat survived (sic) as Dondarrion did, since Brienne would have been relatively fresh. What bothers me is that the undead preserve their original mores more or less and UnBrienne would never turn Jaime over to UnCat if she thought UnCat was going to kill him.

[James Arryn]

I don't know the odds, but the fact that people want this is fairly disappointing, imo.

[rmholt]

The Mad Mouse is the next chapter in Sansa's adventure - he is hooked up with Petyr now. Or else Shagga will get him and that story line will come to an ignominous end

[rmholt]

Some readers have a bad case of Sansa's disease - turning everything into a romantic song. As GRRM keeps telling us, love will ruin ya.

[teemo]

I just did a re-read and yeah, I definitely think they're going to get it on. Long-term romance/commitment? Nah, asoiaf is never like that! But I think there is 100% definitely some chemistry there and Jaime doesn't know how to handle it.

[Ser Sweets]

Would it truly be so terrible if Brienne continued her noble, badass existence as a swordswench?

I'd like to rate her up there in the top 100 in terms of skill in battle. It would be, in my mind, a total waste if she had all that power just to go and spawn children.

Why must Brienne be like normal women?

I don't dislike the Jaime and Brienne pairing. I see foundation for it. I can't say I entirely agree with it, but I can see it. I don't think they'll live happily ever after, even if their relationship does turn into one of romance, which I'm not bought on.

But in my mind, Brienne isn't trying to be someone's wife. She had the choice to go back to Tarth on the Quiet Isle and return to being a daughter; she didn't.

She had the chance to accept Hyle's proposal; she didn't. And I don't think that was entirely based on her distrust of men.

The reason I fell in love with Brienne is because she seems to me the most similar to a genderqueer person in a medieval setting. I do not simply think of her as 'an ugly woman' but someone quite detached from gender altogether, albeit mostly shaped by her physical appearance (looks, height, structure) and how she has been dealt with in life.

But it's who she is. Why does she have to end up as someone's wife?

If we're making wishes for happy endings,

I pray that Brienne ends up in a Kingsguard.

EDIT: I would be p. okay with the Jaime/Brienne pairing if Jaime ended up as Brienne's bitch, too. But that isn't going to happen.

[Katydid]

I think he would if it came down to her or Brienne, yeah. It will kind of be his turning point/epiphany, his moment when he finally sees Cersei for what she is. And something else might occur before then (like Cersei hurting one of her children) to further drive him.

I think I'd be okay with Jaime going out this way. I'd love the "twist" of him being the prophesied brother to kill Cersei (if only to see the shock on her face!), and if he has to kill her to save Brienne? Bonus!

[Josephxoxo]

I don't think they have a chance of ending up together. Brienne doesn;t like Jaime because he's a kingslayer and Jaime doesn't like Brienne because he views her as ugly.

[Arch-MaesterPhilip]

Someone had suggested that Jaime may leave Brienne a gift to remember him by. And since House Tarth needs an heir I can see it happening.