Montey14 Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 I would love for the r+l=j theory to be true but if he was wouldn't he have Dany's resistance to fire and in agot when saving the lc from the wights he suffered a burn injury to his hand that was not caused by any magical fire like Dany's dragon fire burns in adod. It is true that viserys died from the golden crown but since Danny isn't completly immune to fire mabye she would die from that as well or mabye viserys isn't dead he just passed out from the pain and all the dothraki assumed he was dead because anyone else would die from that and viserys was able to sneak away and went somewhere like ashai to plot his revenge against dany and the world. I think it would be awesome to see him come in twow or ados as the main antagonist.no...not all targs true dragons...i.e. Viserys who was killed by fire....they say rheagar had it ....and now it passed to Dany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Iron Suitor Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 I want to start off by saying I don't believe Ned would tell Varys. However He may have told him now because he sees the threat to Jons life over. The reason he kept it a secret from Cat and his friends for so long was because if by chance it ever got back to Robert, Jon would be in danger. With Robert dead that allows him to be more trusting with the secret especially if he believes Varys to be a Targ loyalist.what do you mean by now......remember....Varys was under the impression that the Cersei would let him take the black ....it was Goffrey who changed the plan and had him beheaded.....why would ned believe he was a targ loyalist if he saw Varys go along with Roberts plan to kill Dany. I htink Lord Eddard is good as dead....and his secret died with him....only one person left that knows the truth about Jon....I don't know how Martin will play it out and divulge this information.By now I just meant post Robert in general I do not believe Ned is still alive. Next as I said I do not believe Ned would tell Varys, I was simply answering a possibility to a question posed by another. With regards to Ned possibly thinking Varys was a Targ loyalist there is a reason I used the word if in front of the statement meaning it's perhaps maybe a reaching possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bastard of Walton Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Howland or Bejen semm the most likely to tell the truth of it. But maybe Jon is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bastard's Bastard Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Howland or Bejen semm the most likely to tell the truth of it. But maybe Jon is dead.Jon's not dead.Howland Reed knows the truth and he's in Winterfell as the hooded man. Jon will take WF with his wildling army and meet HR there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bastard of Walton Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Jon's not dead.Howland Reed knows the truth and he's in Winterfell as the hooded man. Jon will take WF with his wildling army and meet HR there.Hopefully your right. I'm not sold on the hooded man angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynthia Snow Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 I have a question someone amongst the R+L = j believers might have the answer to. Im assuming Eddard named Jon after his mentorJon arryn if you agree that this is probably the case seeing as its not a very Targaryen name or a traditional Stark name . It would be safe to assume Lyanna or even Rhaegar had already given their own child a Targaryen name being the reason Eddard changed it to Jon?I always wondered if, assuming R+L=J, the name could be a nod to Jon Connington, one of Rhaegar's closest friends. Perhaps Lyanna chose the name after the child was ended up being an unexpected boy. Or Ned could have chosen it as a name that honored someone important to him (Jon Arryn) and someone who was important to Rhaegar (Jon Connington). A bit crackpot, but just something that occurred to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boy and Girl Wadish Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Cat has done nothing wrong though. She needs no redeeming; she needs revenge.Hell naww Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boy and Girl Wadish Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Hopefully your right. I'm not sold on the hooded man angle.Might be Jojen Reed, with his dreams and everything, would also know the truth? Or perhaps Howland Reed told his son? They do seem to know a lot more than the Stark children regarding the lives of their parents and the happenings pre-rebellion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bastard's Bastard Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 I always wondered if, assuming R+L=J, the name could be a nod to Jon Connington, one of Rhaegar's closest friends. Perhaps Lyanna chose the name after the child was ended up being an unexpected boy. Or Ned could have chosen it as a name that honored someone important to him (Jon Arryn) and someone who was important to Rhaegar (Jon Connington). A bit crackpot, but just something that occurred to me.someone went even as far as to claim Jon was named Visenyon and Ned just called him plain Jon. Naming him after Jon Arryn and JonCon makes alot more sense though..Might be Jojen Reed, with his dreams and everything, would also know the truth? Or perhaps Howland Reed told his son? They do seem to know a lot more than the Stark children regarding the lives of their parents and the happenings pre-rebellion.If the Reed kids knew about Jon's real parents you'd think they'd already told Bran. And who knows, maybe BR knows about R+L=J and tries to contact Jon while he's in coma via crowdreams.Im quite confident we'll see Howland Reed in the coming books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Iron Suitor Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Might be Jojen Reed, with his dreams and everything, would also know the truth? Or perhaps Howland Reed told his son? They do seem to know a lot more than the Stark children regarding the lives of their parents and the happenings pre-rebellion.If the Reed kids knew about Jon's real parents you'd think they'd already told Bran. And who knows, maybe BR knows about R+L=J and tries to contact Jon while he's in coma via crowdreams.Im quite confident we'll see Howland Reed in the coming books.Someone said this previously and I agree, I think the Reed children know the basis of the story but not the specifics. Howland has probably told them what happened just not who was involved or what it really means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Ross Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Imagine reading all the way through the series without another hint at Jon Snow's parentage, to then have the ADoS Epilogue reveal them.....Closing the most epic story with the series biggest mystery?? I would set the book down with a smile on my face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montey14 Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 I always wondered if, assuming R+L=J, the name could be a nod to Jon Connington, one of Rhaegar's closest friends. Perhaps Lyanna chose the name after the child was ended up being an unexpected boy. Or Ned could have chosen it as a name that honored someone important to him (Jon Arryn) and someone who was important to Rhaegar (Jon Connington). A bit crackpot, but just something that occurred to me.In one of Brans Chapters.....when he's in the crypts with Lewin and Osha ...he is asked to identify all the kings and Lords buried there....and he does come come across one king in the north named Jon Stark...so Jon is a Stark name ....one of the old northern kings is buried in the krypts .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksellsword Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 I always wondered if, assuming R+L=J, the name could be a nod to Jon Connington, one of Rhaegar's closest friends. Perhaps Lyanna chose the name after the child was ended up being an unexpected boy. Or Ned could have chosen it as a name that honored someone important to him (Jon Arryn) and someone who was important to Rhaegar (Jon Connington). A bit crackpot, but just something that occurred to me. Thats a very good point and a possibilty for sure, do u know if the Targaryens use non Valyrian names?In one of Brans Chapters.....when he's in the crypts with Lewin and Osha ...he is asked to identify all the kings and Lords buried there....and he does come come across one king in the north named Jon Stark...so Jon is a Stark name ....one of the old northern kings is buried in the krypts .... Thats another good point . I do feel however that the probability of Lyanna deciding to honor that obscure stark ancestor are very remote though.The males in Eddards family all share the names of the men Eddard grew up with and loved. Robert, Brandon,Rickon( i think the name is a play on Rickard Stark and Jon Arryn) a tribute to the two men he looked up to as his father. If im wrong about that and theres text about other rickons , my apologies. my guess is that Rhaegar left instructions that if the baby was a boy it was to be called Daeron , It would of been very bizzare if all through the pregnancy they never decided on a name .a few of the other traditional Taragaryen names being eliminated , Viserys was Rhaegars little brother so doubt he wanted to give him that name Aegon was already taken . Aemon was taken too ..Baelor is still in contention but doesnt sound right for Jon , Daeron in Honor of the young Dragon king that conquered Dorne that would fit Jon perfectly and it Matches Daenerys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzanna Stormborn Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 someone went even as far as to claim Jon was named Visenyon and Ned just called him plain Jon. Naming him after Jon Arryn and JonCon makes alot more sense though..If the Reed kids knew about Jon's real parents you'd think they'd already told Bran. And who knows, maybe BR knows about R+L=J and tries to contact Jon while he's in coma via crowdreams.Im quite confident we'll see Howland Reed in the coming books.I am sort of partial to the Howland Reed is the hooded man at Winterfell. I mean it makes sense, and it would fit that he would call theon 'Kinslayer' because from what I gather him and Ned were like peas and carrots when they were younger and Howland knows all the secrets we all want to know. I hope the prologue is Howland at Winterfell or Osha at Greywater Watch finally answering some damn questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Maester Sam Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 I hope the prologue is Howland at Winterfell or Osha at Greywater Watch finally answering some damn questionsI hope not, since all the prolouge characters die. I would like to see or hear from Howland finally though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzanna Stormborn Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 I hope not, since all the prolouge characters die.I would like to see or hear from Howland finally though.Yeah I don't want them to die, I'm not sure the prologue POV has to die, seems more like a coincidence. I bet the WOW prologue doesn't die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Maester Sam Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 I take that bet. :whip:GRRM alternates the prologues between some minor character north of the wall and a maester related character in the South, usually in a place we have not seen before. Next one should be in the south.The only pov-character that survives his prologue is Chett, and he is not among the survivers from the Fist, so he must have died immediately after that chapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Iron Suitor Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Imagine reading all the way through the series without another hint at Jon Snow's parentage, to then have the ADoS Epilogue reveal them.....Closing the most epic story with the series biggest mystery??I would set the book down with a smile on my face.Ultimate troll job, but I agree I would just put the book down smirking. There's really no other response to something like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of Judah Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 I bet is either Bran or Howland will tell him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady m Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 I bet is either Bran or Howland will tell him.Bran, Bran, Bran! Actually, I should say I firmly believe it will be Ned telling him, through Bran. But what he'll see is Ned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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