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[Spoilers] HBO's True Detective discussion thread


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#1 Mark Antony

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 02:50 PM

Carry on :D

 

Preview for episode 4 in spoiler tags if anyone wants to watch :)

 

 

 



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 02:57 PM

Looks like an intense and fast-paced episode. I'm so excited to see what happens at gasmask man's house.

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 03:06 PM

Back to the Barbie dolls rape setup - I don't think that was Hart's 'imagining' or 'seeing' something that was basically harmless.  So far, everything we see is supposed to be 'as is' other than Cohle's heightened senses, which has been explained, and is obviously called out, either through special effects or an almost immediate explanation following a scene where it's occurred.  I can only think of two scenes, to be honest - the birds, and some lights in the sky - was it sunlight?  I think it would be odd for the show to break out of this and have the viewer sharing in Hart's vision, while being unaware that is an unreliable scene.  And there was nothing to clue us that this happened.  There was no normal Barbie doll scene vs. Hart's imagining scene, if you know what I mean.  I'm sure some of you cinema experts will be able to explain what I'm saying much more ably than I have.

 

This show...I cannot stop thinking about this show.  I'm going to have to binge watch this weekend as well.  I'm so excited about the show, and the  smart, savvy discussion (because, obviously you guys are brilliant - you like what I like.  :D ) up in here.  I haven't been this jazzed about a show in a long time.  It makes me realize how used to mediocre tv I've gotten.



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 05:25 PM

I should probably be embarrassed, but this is the first role I've seen McConaughey in (he's supposed to be in Dazed and Confused according to IMDb, but I don't recognize him at all). Anyone got a suggestion of a good movie he's in? He's stellar in this show, would like to see more of him.



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 05:28 PM

I should probably be embarrassed, but this is the first role I've seen McConaughey in (he's supposed to be in Dazed and Confused according to IMDb, but I don't recognize him at all). Anyone got a suggestion of a good movie he's in? He's stellar in this show, would like to see more of him.

He is woodsen, the creep in his twenty who still date High school girls since "As I get older, they stay the same age".

Edit: grammer and wonder if creep is harsh or not. It's not.

Edited by TheKitttenGuard, 29 January 2014 - 05:32 PM.


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 05:37 PM

I should probably be embarrassed, but this is the first role I've seen McConaughey in (he's supposed to be in Dazed and Confused according to IMDb, but I don't recognize him at all). Anyone got a suggestion of a good movie he's in? He's stellar in this show, would like to see more of him.

 

Wolf of Wall Street, Mud, Dallas Buyers Club, Killer Joe, Lincoln Lawyer. Basically anything from the last 2-3 years.


Edited by Mexal, 29 January 2014 - 05:38 PM.


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 05:40 PM

I should probably be embarrassed, but this is the first role I've seen McConaughey in (he's supposed to be in Dazed and Confused according to IMDb, but I don't recognize him at all). Anyone got a suggestion of a good movie he's in? He's stellar in this show, would like to see more of him.

 

 I've never been as impressed with him as I am with him in this show. He was solid in We are Marshall, but the movie itself is a fairly cliched feelgood sports flick. I hear he has a great cameo in The Wolf of Wall Street. He was also very good in Mud, but I thought the movie was just okay.



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 05:58 PM

Jinkies... another WTF moment that was found in a rewatch. Look at the wall full of kid's drawings (about 20 mins in) when Martin comes home to see Rust with his wife. You see a little spiral that looks a wee bit familiar.  :eek:


Edited by Space Bandito, 29 January 2014 - 05:59 PM.


#9 Mark Antony

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 05:59 PM

 

Wolf of Wall Street, Mud, Dallas Buyers Club, Killer Joe, Lincoln Lawyer. Basically anything from the last 2-3 years.

This, I also thought he was good in A Time to Kill :D and Dazed and Confused



#10 Mexal

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 06:18 PM

This, I also thought he was good in A Time to Kill :D and Dazed and Confused

 

I did too actually. Just went with the first few that came to my mind. Could even add Magic Mike in there cause he was really good there too.



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 06:35 PM

Rewatched the third episode last night. In retrospect, it's brilliant the way they distract your attention away from the lawnmower man. By the conventions of the genre he should seem very suspicious for a number of reasons. Firstly his story doesn't make a lot of sense. Secondly, the staging and dialogue in the scene itself seem weirdly off. Genre conventions in detective shows usually mean a one off interview is livened up in some way. The various Law and Order franchises have made a formula out of this, for example. The cops go and interview someone, and to make it so the interviewee isnt just a straight exposition machine, the script or the director or the actor will have a bit of business, or some personality trait, something to make them more than just a straight source of information. Think the old crab fisherman for example, or Dora Lang's mother. Both display bits of personality, personal history, quirky traits, whatever, during the interview. Now look at lawnmower man. He gives Cohle nothing. He's a landscaper that works for the parish. That's it. He gives them no personality, no hint to what he's like, and, most importantly, NO relevant information. Looking back, it's so obvious - there's no point to this scene except as a way to subtly introduce this guy into the story. But before it can leap out, the information on Reggie LeDeaux comes through, and suddenly were on the road, sirens blaring, racing towards the end of the episode, Cohle's long, disturbing monologue and that bizarre, eerie final shot.

 

Rust says it never took more than two minutes to tell if a suspect was guilty or not. He talks to lawnmower man for almost exactly one minute. Also, for the majority of the scene, lawnmower man's face is angled in such a way that we cant really see his right cheek (left to the viewer). It's only at the end, when Hart starts honking the horn, that lawnmower man turns his head and you catch a glimpse of the burn scars on his right cheek, underneath his beard. He's blonde, he has facial scars, and if he wasn't sitting on a ride-on lawnmower, what's the bet he's pretty tall too.



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 06:53 PM

Rust says it never took more than two minutes to tell if a suspect was guilty or not. He talks to lawnmower man for almost exactly one minute.

 

Awesome catch.



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 07:04 PM

 

Awesome catch.

 

... how is that an awesome catch? What is that even supposed to mean? What, exactly, is the implication of pointing out that Rust says it never took more than two minutes to tell is a suspect was guilty or not, and that he talked to the lawnmower man for "almost exactly one minute?" 

 

Is the implication that Rust has, already, figured out that the lawnmower man is the killer? Really? Seriously? 



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 07:10 PM

 

... how is that an awesome catch? What is that even supposed to mean? What, exactly, is the implication of pointing out that Rust says it never took more than two minutes to tell is a suspect was guilty or not, and that he talked to the lawnmower man for "almost exactly one minute?" 

 

Is the implication that Rust has, already, figured out that the lawnmower man is the killer? Really? Seriously? 

 

No, exactly the opposite- Rust hasn't figured out he was the killer because he didn't spend enough time talking to him.



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 07:20 PM

 

... how is that an awesome catch? What is that even supposed to mean? What, exactly, is the implication of pointing out that Rust says it never took more than two minutes to tell is a suspect was guilty or not, and that he talked to the lawnmower man for "almost exactly one minute?" 

 

Is the implication that Rust has, already, figured out that the lawnmower man is the killer? Really? Seriously? 

 

 

 

No, exactly the opposite- Rust hasn't figured out he was the killer because he didn't spend enough time talking to him.

 

Exactly, and that post from Nestor was one of the most bizarrely-out -of-proportion-in-tone-to-what-it-was-responding-to posts I've seen in a while.  Nice. 



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 08:02 PM

He is woodsen, the creep in his twenty who still date High school girls since "As I get older, they stay the same age".

Edit: grammer and wonder if creep is harsh or not. It's not.

Ah, now I know, thanks.

 

The deductive skills of ya'll are astonishing, Sherlock himself would be proud. Reminds me of the best minds of Lost forum I was frequenting in the mid 00s (although their ideas were often better than what the writers ended up doing, sadly).


Edited by The Monkey, 29 January 2014 - 08:03 PM.


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 08:18 PM

Jinkies... another WTF moment that was found in a rewatch. Look at the wall full of kid's drawings (about 20 mins in) when Martin comes home to see Rust with his wife. You see a little spiral that looks a wee bit familiar.  :eek:

 

Nice find.  I'm going to have to rewatch (or maybe just fast-forward) to see this.

 

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Rust says it never took more than two minutes to tell if a suspect was guilty or not. He talks to lawnmower man for almost exactly one minute. Also, for the majority of the scene, lawnmower man's face is angled in such a way that we cant really see his right cheek (left to the viewer). It's only at the end, when Hart starts honking the horn, that lawnmower man turns his head and you catch a glimpse of the burn scars on his right cheek, underneath his beard. He's blonde, he has facial scars, and if he wasn't sitting on a ride-on lawnmower, what's the bet he's pretty tall too.

 

Great analysis regarding the lawnmower man.  And I also love that this episode had the lawnmowing confrontation between Hart and Cohle.

 

I thought Cohle said 10 minutes, not 2 minutes.  See - yet another good reason for me to come to this thread.   :D



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 08:22 PM

Nice find.  I'm going to have to rewatch (or maybe just fast-forward) to see this.

http://imgur.com/LmlOJdu

 

I think that's what he was talking about :D



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 08:43 PM

http://imgur.com/LmlOJdu

 

I think that's what he was talking about :D

 

Thanks for finding that, Mark.  \

 

Like many of you, I am really digging into this show.  It's brilliant.  I love finding these hidden nuggets in the show.

The set design is really great, too.  I mean that Hart kitchen is right out of 1995.  And some of these houses (Dora's moms, et al) are borderline hoarders.  It can't be easy to get all that together and make it look organic.



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Posted 30 January 2014 - 12:38 AM

Heres the side by side comparison. Not a slam dunk but there might be something there.

eta; also am I crazy or is that a scar beneath the beard


good catch, would make sense that he's involved somehow, otherwise that scene serves no purpose