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  1. Sorry to say, but this is a very poor dramatization. Go ahead and be frustrated if you want, but what I said was just a figure of speech. For the record, I do not expect from you or any other show lover to explain (not "prove" as you misread) any of the nonsense from the show because it's inexplicable, just like nonsense tends to be. And that's why I'm going to keep calling the show ridiculous, because it simply is. At least I have very realistic basis for that opinion, unlike you who had no reason whatsoever to call Martin's answer "infamous" and speculate why his answer shouldn't be taken as true. Speaking of annoying, there is nothing more annoying than show lovers trying to distort the entire universe only to find even the smallest justification for all the nonsense D&D put in the show. In this particular example, you tried to discredit Martin's perfectly direct answer only in order to somehow make sense of Benjen's return to the show. Honestly, I've never seen something like that before GOT. That willingness to destroy everything and anything only to save D&D from (more than deserved) criticism is something that didn't exist before GOT, at least as far as I know. Even if GOT was as good as you say, it still wouldn't be worth all that mental gymnastics you go through in order to justify D&D. Nothing would, to be honest. No work of art is worth it if you need to distort even the simplest and most direct of truths in order to "defend" it, because at the end of the day you're not actually defending it, you're just showing that you're not even interested in a real discussion.
  2. Please. Just read your first post: you said that Martin's note is "infamous"! What's infamous about it??? LOL!!! And also, your speculations are completely baseless and sorry to say irrational. In the world of adults "no" actually means "no". Had Martin meant something else, he would answer something else. That is what treating someone with respect means. It's disrespectful to substitute "CH was Benjen but he doesn't remember it" with a misleading "no". D&D treat their fans that way all the time with their misleading statements, but that's another matter. As I said, we have no reason to doubt Martin's "no" to his trusted editor. And also, your speculation about Martin potentially changing his mind. Yes, it is possible, in a sense that anything's possible. It could even get worse. Martin could suddenly loose his mind completely and start changing characters left and right. But again, in the world of adults those possibilities are not considered even, because if they are, then nothing can ever be taken for certain. That way, you couldn't possibly be certain that I didn't change my mind right after posting this, and that would make the entire purpose of debates completely absurd. So please, before you start accusing me for "playing random Bullshit-Bingo", just look at what you've been playing all along. Oh, and yes, the show is ridiculous. Stupid "Benjen instead of Coldhands" switch is just one more among hundreds of proofs. Just think about it: D&D knew that Benjen is not Coldhands in the books, and yet they put him in Coldhands place (or the closest thing to it) for what reason exactly? How exactly did the story benefit from bringing Benjen back? In no way, that's how! It didn't benefit at all. Benjen is completely irrelevant in the show universe, and his return was equally irrelevant. It just shows how disrespectful D&D are toward the source material and the fandom. They simply don't care about the source material and they often play with fans' expectations, even if they are unrealistic as in the case of Benjen and Coldhands. Sorry if it hurt your feelings, but I'm going to call the show ridiculous until you or someone managed to rationally explain at least some of the nonsense D&D include all the time.
  3. There is no reason to doubt Martin's NO. He answered unequivocally to a very direct question asked by one of his close and trusted associates who obviously expected a sincere answer from him. And of course, the entire Coldhands=Benjen idea was pretty stupid to begin with. It's on the level with Jaqen=Syrio and similar nonsense invented by more childish parts of the fandom. So yes we actually do know that they are not the same person in the books, unless we're living in denial and trying so hard to justify everything D&D do in their ridiculous show, as many show lovers unfortunately do.
  4. That's a generous way of putting it. They completely altered almost all of the storylines (Stannis, Jaime, Cersei and Sansa being the most obvious examples most probably), while adding many of their own and expanding the arcs of characters they prefer to write (Bronn, Ramsay, Ros, Brienne etc.) so it's not really streamlining. That's what they say. Not necessarily what they think or want. They also said that, to their opinion, the show is very faithful to the books, even season five because "the first scene and the last scene are both from the books" (even though both scenes were greatly changed). So it's not like there is no reason to doubt what they say. I think that's a futile task because it is evident that they didn't change things only when they absolutely had to stay faithful to the source material. If they stayed faithful to GRRM's original vision for endgame in some storylines, that's because a) they didn't have the idea how to change it, or b ) it was too complicated for them to change it because it's connected to other storylines. And it's anyone's guess at this point what remained as GRRM intended it and what was changed according to D&D's storytelling genius. The best example is possibly Lady Stoneheart. GRRM dedicated time and pages to the developing of that subplot, which, given his record so far and the huge importance Cat as a character had in the first three books, means that LSH is going to be significant for the endgame in the books. D&D on the other hand cut her out, which means that in their universe LSH has no significance at all. All that means that GRRM's universe and D&D's universe are so different at this point, that it's practically impossible to figure out one based on the other. Of course, some conclusions about the books' endgame are logical even without the show. Unless GRRM is a sadistic manipulator, Boltons are going to pay for their crimes, one way or the other. Stannis is probably going to die, as already hinted at in the books by himself. Sansa and The Vale army will go North eventually, as literally every of her chapters indicates. Arya will of course return to Westeros, because of the basic storytelling wisdom. And so on. But I don't think that even manners in which these things will happen can be guessed from the show.
  5. Maybe you shouldn't joke. You're not a professional joker after all. How can you know which jokes work and which don't if you've never worked on a sitcom! Instead of trying to write jokes on the internet maybe you should try to work for some big sitcom production and see how hard it really is!
  6. LOL!!! So, you never criticize anything, right? No matter how stupid or ridiculous something is, you can't criticize it because you never worked on TV, right? Are we even allowed to dislike something, or your golden rule applies to that as well??? Because we're not TV professionals, we simply have to enjoy everything TV professionals create, right? But really, do you really need to be "part of big TV production" to realize how nonsensical is, for example, the death of Lancel in the show???
  7. I disagree. First, Robert is still fearsome. Not as before, because he got fat and softer of course, but it's obvious people are still afraid of him. That's huge part of his character in the books. That's what makes Ned's disobedience so important, for example. Second, Addy doesn't look like he ever was fearsome. He just doesn't. And that's why D&D tried to give him some military credibility by writing those ridiculous scenes for him, where he talks and talks about his past heroics. It didn't work, of course.
  8. Not perfect... Things I find remarkable, inspiring and significant. I watch other things for fun and entertainment, of course, but never spend time on analyzing and discussing them.
  9. We are very different indeed. I would never spend this much time on ASOIAF if I had doubts about its quality. For example, if in TWOW anything even resembles the stupidity from the last season of the show, I'm going to quit the series for good. I'm confident that's not going to be the case though, but of course, we'll never know until TWOW actually comes out.
  10. If an actor doesn't look anything like the character in the books, and yet he's supposed to leave the same impression as the character in the books, then I'm pretty sure he/she is miscast. Mark Addy was simply miscast. He'd be equally miscast as Victarion Greyjoy for example, who is also a fearsome individual like Robert is supposed to be. Addy is a good actor, but that has nothing to do with him being miscast. Dillane was not really good as Stannis, but that's hardly his fault. He didn't read the books and only had the scripts to work with, and D&D never had any idea what to do with Stannis. So it makes sense when Dillane admitted that he never understood the appeal of the character he was playing. But when an actor admits he didn't even understand the character he was playing, he definitely couldn't be any good in the role, not even by chance.
  11. Please... Not that talking with me is necessarily a good thing, but it takes more than an honest disagreement to make me not talk with someone. I don't think we can know that for sure before he actually finishes the story. On the other hand, if he doesn't finish it for whatever reason, then by definition it'll become "bit more than he could chew" situation. This is where I think our basic disagreement exists. ASOIAF is not a genre piece. It doesn't look like one, and it's way more complex and rewarding than one. That's my firm opinion based on years of analyzing it (including reading essays on this site and other ASOIAF sites) and comparing it to other works of fiction, be it genre pieces or more respected literature. And yes, maybe I'm overrating the books, but on the other hand, maybe you're underrating them.
  12. Exactly, not tall enough. He just didn't look like one of the most fearsome warriors in the world, which Robert in the books actually is. The same: he just doesn't look like a famous military commander. Dellane looked more like a philosopher than like a guy who's dead set on winning the throne beyond the sword. When the casting news for season two were out, I remember comments that Davos and Stannis actors should switch, and to this day I completely agree with that.
  13. Not only that, but some of the actors, while miscasts, are capable actors, and yet they weren't given the chance to play interesting characters. Michelle Fairly is a good example: I think she'd be very good if given the material from the books, where Cat was a well-rounded and multilayered character, but sadly she was treated horribly in the show and eventually relegated to someone who has less screen-time than Shae if I remember right. But the family that is cast the worst has to be Baratheons. Did they get anyone of them even remotely right?
  14. I don't think I'm kidding anyone, least of all myself, when I say that ASOIAF is masterclass of storytelling. Not just fantasy or any other genre, but storytelling in general, period. I would be kidding myself if you were to think that writing ASOIAF is as easy as writing Harry Potter. Eventually, ASOIAF may fall prey to GRRM's ambitions, maybe he did bit more than he could chew (so far nothing indicates that, but it is a theoretical possibility), but there is no denying that GRRM's ambitions are far bigger and more serious than ambitions of Rowling and such. With all the meticulously created and written characters, ASOIAF is certainly not just "a fictional fantasy story" because typical fantasy stories are usually cursed with poor characterization. There is a reason why no genre story has a character as complex and layered as Jaime Lannister for example. So I'm perfectly fine with genre authors publishing million books a year: I'm not interested in them, because I like my stories complex and intelligent. If TWOW and ADOS are going to be as intelligent and complex as previous five books, I'm fine with GRRM taking all the time he needs. Just like I'm fine with D&D giving whatever simplistic and ridiculous rendition of the same story they can handle, to those who aren't patient or maybe even interested in ASOIAF and its goods. To each their own.
  15. So, what was he supposed to do? Publish TWOW by any means before 2015, even if he's not satisfied with the material? Even if it's sub par? I'm constantly surprised that people seem to think it's just GRRM's whim that he didn't publish TWOW so far. But one very realistic reason for the delay is ignored: that GRRM is still not happy with what he wrote, and that he's busy improving it. And if that's the reason, then I'm more than happy to wait until he comes up with something that satisfies his ambitions. And he's not forcing anyone to watch he show. Actually, it's really not that hard to push the show out of your life. Last year I didn't watch the sixth season until the very end when I binge watched all the episodes. And I wasn't spoiled until I decided to come here and check people's reactions to the new season. So it's entirely possible to wait for GRRM without being spoiled by the show. And if he's really using all this time to improve the books as I expect, then it's probably well worth it.