Ser Yorick Ampersand Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 8 minutes ago, TheOtherRedWoman said: Of course they are. That wasn't the point I was trying to make. You are taking the word of ONE person, saying that an entire organization, devoted to higher learning, was out there killing dragons. Dragons are already notoriously hard to kill. Marwyn was a fraud when it came to that. http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Marwyn The Maester's doctrine is all about knowledge and science. If magic is real they lose power and relevance because they don't understand it and can't control it. All the Maesters that deal with magic are shunned or expelled - viewed as blacksheeps or outcasts. That is proof of the Citadel's disdain for magic. Most Maesters dismiss the existence of magical creatures. spells and laugh at it. Dragons are magic made flesh - Only the Targaryens could control the Dragons. That was the source of their power. To defeat them they would have to get rid of magic. Marwyn and Qyburn don't follow the Citadel rules. Their seek for knowledge knows no bounds. They are clearly not your average Maester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Freypie Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 There hasn't been any storm in the show yet. With the coming of winter a big storm will destroy half Dany fleet to create tension in the beginning of next season, that or a naval fight with Euron's fleet. Think about how Mereen fleet was burned only to be gained again at the end of season. So things will look even between Dany and Cersei for most of the season, Cersei even getting some victories, of course until the last minute where Dany and the North will unite and Baelish save the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumy Stark Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 1 hour ago, farm_ecology said: It isn't. As has been pointed out elsewhere in this thread, it is the largest by size, not population. Oh gosh, sorry, I didn't mean it literally, I was just responding to the previously "it is known" because that is one of my favorite random things. I apologize for the confusion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osric Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 2 hours ago, Kris370 said: Didn't she leave the Khalasar behind in "The Bay of Dragons?" 2 hours ago, Mourneblade said: Nope you saw a boat with Dothraki and their horses in the End scene last night. Yeah that was weird, she said she left Daario to take care of Mereen when he said that would be fun to see the Dothrakis sailing in the poisoned water and then we see boats with Dothraki people.... What?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazil Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 It seems to me that the show writers set the whole thing up for a hasty defeat. In one fell swoop Cersei managed to push almost the whole realm into the arms of house Targaryen, with the exception of what ever is left of house Baratheon. Also up to this point it seems they've been so caught up with the BS going down with the high sparrow that they're completly unaware of the invasion force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mourneblade Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 48 minutes ago, mattnj81 said: Is there any passage in the books that specifically said the Citadel killed the dragons? I don't remember that at all in ASOIAF or in the World of Ice and Fire book. Archmaester Marwyn revealed it was the maesters of the Citadel who killed off the last dragons of the Targaryens, and are secretly working to eradicate magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattnj81 Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 5 minutes ago, Mourneblade said: Archmaester Marwyn revealed it was the maesters of the Citadel who killed off the last dragons of the Targaryens, and are secretly working to eradicate magic. I don't recall that, do you know which book/chapter that was in? Or just which POV it was told from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Freypie Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Just now, mattnj81 said: I don't recall that, do you know which book/chapter that was in? Or just which POV it was told from? Sam's last chapter (AFFC I think). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattnj81 Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Just now, Lord Freypie said: Sam's last chapter (AFFC I think). Ok, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SixFeetUnder Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 I don't know if it's really overkill. I mean dorne and the Tyrell's could be the ones to betray Dany, and she could have all her forces wiped out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Louis II (KLII) Posted June 28, 2016 Author Share Posted June 28, 2016 7 hours ago, TheOtherRedWoman said: "The north is vast in size. While some say it is nearly as large as the the other territories combined,[5] in actuality it is roughly a third of the landmass controlled by the Iron Throne.[4] The region is sparsely populated, with vast wilderness, forests, pine-covered hills and snow-capped mountains, speckled with tiny villages and holdfasts." http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/North Still the region with the most inhabitants, despite being sparcely populated. I am in a congress, when I come back home I will get the books and tell you the exact line . Edit: Actually I dont need see the next post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Louis II (KLII) Posted June 28, 2016 Author Share Posted June 28, 2016 6 hours ago, mattnj81 said: I just looked it up, this is what it says: The largest and most populous of the six southern kingdoms (The North, vast in expanse and thinly peopled, being a land apart)... Thats it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 I also think Randyll Tarly could defect to the Lannister side, he's not likely to be happy about a woman ruling over him, be it Cersei or Dany however the Tarlys are Marcher lords and thus should despise the Dornish and plus Dany has an army consisting of foreigners, barbarians, and eunuchs as well. And with a show supposedly cutting down on characters it seems odd to finally just add him in now unless he has a role to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Louis II (KLII) Posted June 28, 2016 Author Share Posted June 28, 2016 6 hours ago, mattnj81 said: Can you actually get that page number please? Now I'm reading conflicting things about where the largest populations are and I want to look it up. Thanks in advance. Yes I will my friend, now I am in a scientific meeting, when I arrive I will find it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xylene Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 I don't think any specific number's were mentioned in the final episode about how large Dany's Navy/Army really is, but we all know it's huge, otherwise I don't think she would be going to Westeros at this point, but she does have 3 dragons, so who knows. But I am really curious to see who all does support the Targaryen restoration. We know Varys' was hard at work securing some alliances with Dorne and Highgarden. Then we got the matter of the other potential claimant to the Iron Throne, but I don't know how or when that would be revealed to Dany. Also, we don't really know what Euron is capable of at this point. He did claim to be the Drowned God, or "the Storm" himself, so I guess in 10 months we'll really find out what kind of havoc he can deal. I'm sure he'll try to convince Dany first before he just flat out attacks her and Yara/Theon's massive fleet anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakraal Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Implosion will be the worst enemy of such a diverse force. We have dragons and Dothraki that can run uncontrolled and cause more than one diplomatic problems. The Tyrells are weak and the show didn't cast Randyll Tarly for one scene only. As someone said he might usurp the Reach lordship. I don't even know if the Dornish motives are so clear. What if their target is to take revenge from both the Lannisters and the Targaryens in one strike? I mean imagine Danny landing in Dorne and start marching north mustering her allies along the way, and then the Dothraki sack a Dornish village. Whome does she justify? The Dornish or the Dothraki? Can she find a solution were both forces keep marching with her? Then a couple of weeks later Olenna begs her to march to retake Highgarden which has been captured by Tarly. Then a couple of Dragons wander away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Not Overkill... the ROAD CREW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleffa Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 The three dragons alone is overkill already for Westeros we see that in Aegon's conquest. I never find Daenerys's story line appealing everything just goes her way and bends to her will it's boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoodedCrow Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Perhaps, Euron or Littlefinger support Cersei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ServantOnIce Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 11 hours ago, King Louis II (KLII) said: Dear all, Danny has around 100,000 Dothraki, 7,000 unsullied (counting some died), possibly 3,000 former slaves Yara/Theon have around 3,000 (100 ships, 30 crewmen at least per ship) Dorne should have easily 20-30,000 since while not very populous they haven't been involved in wars since season 1. Tyrells are the second richest family and probably will have an army of around 30,000 or more. so Dany has potentially an army of 170,000. If you taking in account others houses that support the Targaryen may side with her, she could reach 200,000 Against what? Lannister should not have more than 40,000. Cersei, is hated by people from Kingslanding, The North will never side with her... Discuss... Cersei is dragon food . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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