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The Most Important And Difficult Question Ever Asked!

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Ha, I don't need help defending myself from that lot.

Just who the hell do you think I am?!

Bring them all on.

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I'd take the eagles and hunter.

 

the eagles can fly me away. so I'm now out of reach of everything apart from the shotgun.  who is on my side also being a passenger of the eagles  while he can safely take aim and kill all the rest.  - even if it takes several shots, he has unlimited ammo. 

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12 hours ago, Rippounet said:

If the rats are fearless they can overrun everything else except the eagles.

Okay new stipulation: the rats are all high on bath salts

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Initially I thought hunter and kodiak bears were the best combo, but reading the other comments I can see the advantage of the 10,000 rats.  So I would pick the hunter w/ unlimited ammo + rats. 

10,000 rats is enough to distract the attacking animals, except the eagles, long enough for the hunter to go around and blast the larger animals.  That's a massive quantity of rats.  Even a bear would probably be extremely bothered by a couple hundred biting rats and they don't need to kill it, just slow it down long enough for the hunter to do that.  The eagles would be difficult to deal with regardless of the combo you choose as the hunter is basically the only thing on the list that can deal with them, so I'd concentrate on killing the bulls / bears / wolves / gorillas / and lions first using the rat distraction and then the hunter's shotgun to pick off the eagles later. 

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17 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

Perhaps this belongs in the games section of the forum, but I figured it would get more eyeballs here. Anyways, here is the hypothetical scenario. You are standing in the middle of a giant field and you need to defend yourself. Here are your initial options:

  • 50 Golden Eagles
  • 10 Crocodiles
  • 3 Kodiak Bears
  • 7 Bulls
  • 1 Hunter w/ a Shotgun and Unlimited Ammo
  • 15 Wolves
  • 10,000 Rats
  • 5 Gorillas
  • 4 Lions

You get to pick two of the options above to defend yourself. The rest are going to attack you all at once. So the most important question ever asked is simply who are you going with to defend you?

Personally I got the Hunter and the Rats.

GO!

 

Assuming this is a game and not reality, so that you have complete control over the actions of your "defenders", I don't see how any option other than the one you picked is reasonable. If you can make any of the rats attack whenever and whatever you want, 10,000 of them would certainly overwhelm the other animals. 

 

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35 minutes ago, Ormond said:

Assuming this is a game and not reality, so that you have complete control over the actions of your "defenders", I don't see how any option other than the one you picked is reasonable. If you can make any of the rats attack whenever and whatever you want, 10,000 of them would certainly overwhelm the other animals. 

 

Ormond, with all due respect, it's not that easy being a Beastmaster.

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So if you have complete control of your two choices, does a competing beastmaster have control of all the rest?  This is pretty important to whether the animals are going to attack you because they are (normal animal) angry or uncontrollably angry, or because they are controlled by another and determined to kill you. 

I would also like to note that while crocodiles are at a significant disadvantage fighting in a field, I'm not sure that rats can do anything to a crocodile.  That hide is thick. 

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It's eagles and bears all the way home. 

Have you seen the size of a goddamn golden eagle? The speed? The power? 

Fifty of those majestic bastards are taking out anything. Hunter might take one of them down, two if he's a real crack shot, then the other 48 are taking his eyes out. 

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Hmm, this is a fun question.  It could go several ways, of course.  But, first, a couple of things: 1) What am I doing during all of this? and 2) It seems to me that people are seriously underestimating what 50 golden eagles would be capable of (their talons are approximately 10 times stronger than an adult human male's hands...and have giant razor-sharp claws).  Of course, all of the animals listed could be very, very dangerous...but only the eagles can also fly;)  

So, if I can also be doing something to defend myself as well then I think I'd go with the eagles and the rats.  I'd send all the eagles at the hunter right away and I'd divide the rats evenly between the other 44 animals (about 227 each) to, hopefully, keep them occupied initially.  Sure, the hunter would probably take out several eagles but pretty soon he'd be overwhelmed and his eyes would be snatched right outta his head.  Or he'd simply be dead. 

Then, I'd secure that unlimited ammo shotgun (I'm assuming it's a 12 gauge and the ammo is either slugs or 00 buckshot) for myself.  When that was accomplished, I could direct the eagles and rats to perhaps concentrate their attacks more, if necessary.

With the remaining eagles and rats and me with an unlimited ammo shotgun?  Yeah, I like my chances (even against those thick-hided crocs).  However, not having enough larger "meat shields" could always be a problem...hmm:idea: 

ETA: I agree about the eagles, KiDisaster.  You ninja'd me:)   

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I’ve moved firmly to eagles and wolves.  And I think people are overstating the danger of facing the rats as an enemy.  There’s a lot of them, true, but they would really only be useful for a static defense because they lack speed and mobility.  Plus, ultimately, while they could be a major distraction they aren’t really going to be able to kill anything on their own.  Best case they blind or disable something.  Same with the eagles, really, though they represent a larger threat than the rats, and would work well as support for small packs of wolves.

Here’s how I see eagles and wolves playing out:  Assuming the scenario starts with me and my companions at the center of the field and everything else spread around the perimeter, I direct a few eagles and some wolves to disarm the hunter and bring his shotgun to me.  Then I assign teams of 3-4 wolves and 10-12 eagles to harass and delay each group of lions, bears, gorillas, and bulls.  I ignore the crocs completely at first because any croc big enough to be dangerous is also going to be slow af.  I keep track of the rats and keep moving to minimize the chances of a coordinated attack.  Once I have the shotgun I move to support my teams until all threats are eliminated.

 

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IF I assume that the other animals are going to be spread around me in a vague circle, and are going to be attacking with uncontrolled rage (but not human intelligence) then I would have to go with the eagles and the bears.  I would send the eagles to attack the man with a shotgun, blind him and take his magic shotgun.  I would get atop the kodiak bear and my bear+eagle escort would get moving.  From atop the bear, several animals would be of little threat.  The rats and crocodiles aren't fast enough to keep up with a bear, so I'm not too worried.  The gorillas, lions and bulls would all get blinded by my eagles.  Even if I lose a few eagles in the process, there are only a combined 16 of them, and I doubt every one will successfully kill an eagle.  15 Wolves are going to have a lot of trouble taking down my 3 kodiak bears, doubly so when I have eagles harassing them.  Once I get the shotgun, it's all over.  I can kill the blinded large animals and the wolves and Crocs without difficulty.  The remaining eagles can clean up the rats.

Really the only question mark is if I have enough eagles to blind the bulls and lions quickly, while simulteanously attacking the man and stealing his shotgun.  I think I do, but it's hard to say for sure. 

5 hours ago, Pebble said:

the eagles can fly me away. so I'm now out of reach of everything apart from the shotgun.  who is on my side also being a passenger of the eagles  while he can safely take aim and kill all the rest.  - even if it takes several shots, he has unlimited ammo. 

I'm not sure the Eagles could fly you away.  50 Eagles are strong enough, sure, but unless you have 50 eagle harnesses and ropes lying around, I think they're going to all be running into each other, losing their grip and clawing you badly.  Only 5-10 eagles can really get close at any given time, and that isn't enough to lift a person. 

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15 minutes ago, Maithanet said:

 

I'm not sure the Eagles could fly you away.  50 Eagles are strong enough, sure, but unless you have 50 eagle harnesses and ropes lying around, I think they're going to all be running into each other, losing their grip and clawing you badly.  Only 5-10 eagles can really get close at any given time, and that isn't enough to lift a person. 

Are you saying J R R Tolkien lied to us?   1 eagle should be enough to carry a person.    Also I'm hobbit sized so that helps.

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We need to hit the pause button on this admittedly absurd question. Are we or aren’t we allowing you to kill the hunter and steal his gun? Because if we are it kind of makes his existence pointless because you just pick the eagles and have them swarm him right away and then retrieve the gun. It’s kind of like letting you pick three options instead of two.

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18 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

We need to hit the pause button on this admittedly absurd question. Are we or aren’t we allowing you to kill the hunter and steal his gun? Because if we are it kind of makes his existence pointless because you just pick the eagles and have them swarm him right away and then retrieve the gun. It’s kind of like letting you pick three options instead of two.

That's why I asked what I would be doing during all of this?  If I can also be doing something to defend myself...then ima get me that shotgun, son!;)

ETA: If I can't get the shotgun then I think I still choose the eagles and then...probably the rats.  I still think the eagles are the key.  I'd have them blind everything but their allies, the rats (and me), and then I think the rats could handle the others if they were blind.  The eagles could just help out wherever after that.  It would take some time.  But 10,000 rats could take out practically any animal given enough time - especially if it's ability to defend itself were severely reduced.  

Of course, it is all absurd...but kinda fun to think about:P

Edited by Prince of the North

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Maybe we should assume that the man is a wizard, and that the "infinite ammo" spell only works while he's holding the gun.  So while you can steal his gun, you'll only have 2-5 shots at most before running out of bullets. 

 

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Yeah I think if the gun is on the field then it has to be in play.  Why have us be in the scenario otherwise?  May as well just ask which two groups could defeat all the rest.

Anyway, I'd still go with eagles and wolves.  Best combination of numbers and defense/lethality.  Hunter still dies first.

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18 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

We need to hit the pause button on this admittedly absurd question. Are we or aren’t we allowing you to kill the hunter and steal his gun? Because if we are it kind of makes his existence pointless because you just pick the eagles and have them swarm him right away and then retrieve the gun. It’s kind of like letting you pick three options instead of two.

Hey listen if you bring a gun to an eagle fight you're asking to have it taken from you. 

3 minutes ago, Maithanet said:

Maybe we should assume that the man is a wizard, and that the "infinite ammo" spell only works while he's holding the gun.  So while you can steal his gun, you'll only have 2-5 shots at most before running out of bullets. 

 

Whoa, whoa, whoa if this guy is a wizard that changes the entire scenario and opens up a whole other field of questions. Like what kind of wizard are we talking? Harry Potter, LOTR, D&D? 

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1 minute ago, KiDisaster said:

Whoa, whoa, whoa if this guy is a wizard that changes the entire scenario and opens up a whole other field of questions. Like what kind of wizard are we talking? Harry Potter, LOTR, D&D? 

Shotgun related wizard.  He's kind of a one trick pony with this unlimited ammo spell. 

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The advantage of the rats is that there are plenty to throw them at the eagles as well. As in physically picking them up and using them as projectiles. A miniature fastball special.

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