True Detective V

[Anatúrinbor]

I'm not really sure there has to be a point behind the 'fuck me in the ass.' thing. This is after all the same channel that showed us Theon getting pornographically tortured by two pornstars before getting his dick cut off.

[Mexal]

I'm not really sure there has to be a point behind the 'fuck me in the ass.' thing. This is after all the same channel that showed us Theon getting pornographically tortured by two pornstars before getting his dick cut off.

uh, two points. 1. That was Martin's idea in his books. 2. HBO is hands off creatively. They would have nothing to do with NP's writing.

[Kalbear]

uh, two points. 1. That was Martin's idea in his books.

I don't remember that happening in the books.

[Jabronius Maximus]

Yeah it was just heavily implied. HBO actually went there.

[stinkfinger]

When Rust spoke to the Rev at Tuttle School, did anyone else notice how much bigger he was the Rust? McConaughey is 6' tall and the Rev towered over him. I just rewatched that whole seen, there is a lot of weirdness in their conversations.

[Castel]

I don't remember that happening in the books.

Implied. The porn stuff certainly wasn't though.

[Kalbear]

Yeah, the cutting his dick off? Totally happened. The two random pornstars teasing him as they did it? Nope, not remotely in the books or remotely implied, even. That's more of what I was talking about.

[Castel]

Yeah, the cutting his dick off? Totally happened. The two random pornstars teasing him as they did it? Nope, not remotely in the books or remotely implied, even. That's more of what I was talking about.

That at least is the sort of shit that Ramsay could pull. Littlefinger's sexposition scene and the like? Nah.

[the maid of woodlynne]

@Maid:

Does your timeline track all the clues that led to Reggie Ladeux? Are there clues pointing to characters we've already seen?

Thanks!

It lists the interviews chronologically (and what they learned). And I listed details about the timing of the Friends of Christ at the church in Eunice (which is our crime scene) plus when Dora Lange was attending.

But the only clues about Ledoux come from Rianne Olivier's grandfather, which leads to them learning his priors and that his cell mate was Charlie Lange. They put out an APB on Reggie. Charlie gives them Weems, who gives them the Iron Crusaders. Rust swaps out the coke, goes UC in TX for a week or so. Comes back for Marty's help and all hell breaks loose in Beaumont. The fight at the cookhouse happens the next day.

So once they were onto Reggie, he is dead within a couple of weeks.

Is that what you're looking for? Or do you want calendar dates? (Some of it is fuzzy but I can give you my best guess...)

[Francis Buck]

I can't get over how fast this thread moves.

What were the Lost threads like here when it was airing?

[Madness]

Reggie's dialogue during the fight at the cookhouse, once handcuffed:

It's time, isn't it? The black stars.

Black stars rise.

-why the antlers?-

I know what happens next. I saw you in my dream. You're in Carcosa now with me. He sees you.

-Marty!-

You'll do this again. Time is a flat circle.

-Listen, Nietzsche, STFU-

Black stars...

--Marty shoots him.--

Or do you mean what he's saying while Rust is yelling at Dewall? If so, I'll have to go rewatch to see if I missed anything.

This is what I have maid of woodlynne:

The most interesting piece of the puzzle remains for me Ledoux's lines to Cohle. Just spent a couple minutes listening to the lines from the show because apparently you shouldn't trust what makes it online. The line I was going to quote doesn't exist - elsewhere I read it mentioned that Ledoux calls Cohle a priest but these are all the lines that Reggie says before he dies.

"It's time, isn't it? The black stars."

"Black stars rise."

"I know what happens next. I saw you in my dream. You're in Carcosa now. With me. He sees you."

"You'll do this again. Time is a flat circle."

"Sonsciniscent (?). Black God (?). Twin (?)" (these lines are whispered by Reggie as Cohle tells Dewall to freeze and are mostly indecipherable - best I could do; they could be electronically tampered with.)

"Black stars."

"(Three Indecipherable Words)" (these lines are also whispered by Reggie as Hart walks out of the building to cap him - last words Reggie says).

What does it mean?!

EDIT: I will add that inside EP5 with NP there is a clip that doesn't match what aired and in that clip "I know what happens next. I saw you in my dream. You're in Carcosa now. With me. He sees you." includes the line "You're a Priest too."

[Kalbear]

What were the Lost threads like here when it was airing?

Other than the finale, nothing like this.

Of course, they didn't have the power of Ginger.

[the maid of woodlynne]

Thanks, Madness. I'll see if I can hear more of Reggie's ramblings at the end with headphones. :dunno: Can't hurt.

[Manhole Eunuchsbane]

I'm not really sure there has to be a point behind the 'fuck me in the ass.' thing. This is after all the same channel that showed us Theon getting pornographically tortured by two pornstars before getting his dick cut off.

http://s1336.photobucket.com/user/Lumpy67/media/GoTWeeners_zps4dc91064.gif.html

[Prince of the North]

Well, since it's been like 13 minutes since someone's posted I'm gettin' a little twitchy. Is the significance of Rust changing his mind at the very end and coming back to tell Marty something like "On second thought, why don't you buy me a beer" because Rust knows Marty is doing well financially (evidenced by the nice car, etc.)?

[Sci-2]

Thanks Maid - basically what I was curious about. I don't think calendar dates matter. :-)

Alyssa Rosenberg puts in a great article about why we should want well done female characters in works like True Detective.

Great article!

[the maid of woodlynne]

Completely random thing I just noticed when checking on the timing of the Reggie Ledoux clues.

In the first interview with Charlie Lange (4th Jan 1995) he says that Dori told him "she was going to become a nun" and that "she met a king" - it could mean absolutely nothing, but could that have something to do with her body being posed in a praying position?

I know, I'm really grasping at straws here...

ETA - you're welcome, Sci \m/

[Madness]

Thanks, Madness. I'll see if I can hear more of Reggie's ramblings at the end with headphones. :dunno: Can't hurt.

Thank you.

The best part of kalbear's link:

Ridding these shows of women might satisfy the demands of some viewers who are eager not to think about gender, to retreat to the twenty-first century equivalent of cigars and brandy after dinner. But without these women, our anti-heroes would be decidedly shrunken men.

Asking that the time a show like True Detective spends on women be sharper isn’t some sort of attempt to redistribute the precious minutes of prestige television in service of some notion of artistic justice. It’s a gesture of respect, an attempt to hold the show to the standards of seriousness its set out for itself, to dream that every minute of it could have the tension and self-awareness of the gap between the narration of Rust and Marty’s advance on Reggie Ledoux and the reality of the event itself. And it’s a reminder that on television, as in life, what’s good for men and what’s good for women doesn’t have to be a winner-take all proposition.

[Jabronius Maximus]

Well, since it's been like 13 minutes since someone's posted I'm gettin' a little twitchy. Is the significance of Rust changing his mind at the very end and coming back to tell Marty something like "On second thought, why don't you buy me a beer" because Rust knows Marty is doing well financially (evidenced by the nice car, etc.)?

Yup, that was a bit of a lighter moment. Then Marty checked his gun.

[Mark Antony]

That last part, pure gibberish :D