True Detective VI: The Universe Forgives All

[Elder Sister]

They keep showing the Bunny Mama saying, "What do you know about that girl? Where she's been?" Or something to that effect re: Beth. I think there's something significant about this that's more important than Beth's personal family history.

Also, Great Ruiner, your av is so distracting. I have a crush on Dr. Lector. :D

[Rogue Trooper]

"That woman.......those girls"

This keeps cropping up, but I don't see the relevance. Marty said it during his interview - before what's going to happen in ep's 7 & 8, so it can't allude to the mystery because it hadn't been solved when he said it.

I always took it as about Maggie and the girls, simple regret over the mess he made of his marriage.

[SpaceChampion]

I was about to post the same thing. You'd have to have Marty travel back in time to give the interview for it to make sense as to referring to the conspiracy / cult.

[Lyanna Stark]

Ha, finally caught up with the bazillion threads. Phew!

Anyway, since I am slow, continuation of last thread. Think it was one of the Ramsay's who said:

We've seen Marty's reaction to sex crimes against women. He loses it. He killed Ladoux. We've seen him react to his daughter being victimized as an underage girl in a threesome. He beat the hell out of the two kids.

I think this is build up for the finale where he finds out Audrey has been the victim of the cult. He is going to totally snap in a murderous rage.

I didn't get the impression that Marty went into a murderous rage only because he thought the boys hurt Audrey, but because they hurt his pride and the way he wanted reality to be. He doesn't even care to speak to his daughter, Maggie does that. He just rages and is satisfied with beating up the boys, and isn't really interesting in what made Audrey do what she did. Marty cares about himself and his life first and foremost, as exemplified as well when he tells Maggie that she wanting to divorce him ruins HIS life. No care for her or the daughters. His thoughts are primarily aimed at himself.

Regarding Maggie as a character in general (really liked the discussion in the last thread) I don't actually think she is that flat, especially considering the main two characters are clearly the focus. I also don't really understand the argument that Maggie only went to Rust to get revenge on Marty, since her first approach was going to a bar and picking up a random guy. I thought the fact that they had a thing and a connection was foreshadowed ever since Rust commented that meeting Marty's family wasn't as bad as he had feared, and then even more so during the lawn mower scene. Maggie seems to be the only one Rust willingly socialises with (since Marty is through work, so kinda semi-willingly) and she is throughout the only one who really tries to humanise him. She talks to him about his lost family, about how he should get a pet fish/dog whatever and then she sets him up on dates and whatever.

The first time Marty is cheating on her, Maggie calls Rust too, but then she doesn't have any proof, and while he knows, he dodges the question even tough it seems he feels bad for doing so. The second time around, Maggie basically does the same thing, with the difference that this time she has the proof already and instead confronts Rust with whether he knew or not. I mean, there is certainly a "revenge" factor in there, but her motivations seem more complex than that, as she's definitely has a previous emotional connection with Rust and unless she lies, she claims that she was at a bar and saw the light was on so went there perhaps not on a whim, but more as an impulsive thing and not something she really put a lot of planning into. Still sad and depressing tho, especially considering that before, she was always the one who made the most effort at getting him back into life, and then she ended up breaking him even more.

[StormWolf]

"That woman... Those girls..."

Could this be referring to the Hillbilly Bunny Ranch? It has ties with both the police and church, convenient for runaways or 'false' missing person's reports, and fits well with the 'right under my nose' statement. Also, could be a possibility that Audrey gets caught up in it since it's obvious they don't mind underage girls.

I believe Marty is referring to Maggie and his daughters. He says that line in the present 2012 timeline. Marty seems to be genuinely in the dark about anything Rust has investigated since Reggie Ledoux. In the flashbacks to 2002 we see him doubt Rust's inquiries about a conspiracy and that there is still one or more killers out there. Nick Pizolatto has publicly stated twice now that he doesn't understand why viewers believe they are being lied to. I believe at this point we can assume that what we see in the flashbacks is truthful and can be taken at face value. Marty regrets neglecting his family and losing them.

[the maid of woodlynne]

Also something else - the 'Bunny Mama' commented that the Sheriff had a stake in the Ranch, though I think she meant Tate. Maybe he inherited the connection from Sheriff Childress? would tie in the suspicions about his 'report in error' history and the jail suicide overseen by his purported son.

It was Sheriff Bilson (whomever he is) that was in on it with the woman who ran the Bunny Ranch.

[Baitac]

I rewatched ep. 2 last night and Marty was arguing with Maggie about his case and bringing it home and he told her : "that woman, with the antlers, and those children" who have been abducted. I think that "that woman and those girls" refers to that rather than something more complicated.

[Q the Cat]

I'm glad I've arrived so early; we need to make sure that we Ginger this thread up as much as possible. I was hoping that Ginger would appear in episode 6, but alas, nothing.

I think the tent revival preacher knows more than he's telling. I wouldn't be surprised if we see him again.

I also am almost positive that Maggie was abused by the cult, or someone. Her comment, "You don't know the half of it!" to Marty when he screams at her over her sleeping with Rust was very telling. I also think (and don't remember anyone mentioning this so forgive me if you have) that when the little girls are playing in the front yard and Audrey throws the beribboned tiara into the tree, that we are seeing a direct reference to her and the cult of the five - that she has been touched by the Yellow King.

Man, the above paragraph sounds freaky. This show is turning me into a freakshow. :frown5:

I really like your freakshow paragraph. Could you explain the reference to the cult of five?

This thread brings up so much I am amazed at the theories and analysis provided by you all. It really makes the show that much more enjoyable.

Fuck ya'll with your intense debates and intriguing theories. It's a full-time job to keep up with all the speculation you motherfuckers produce.

I almost spewed coffee out my nose.

Given all the "time is a flat circle" talk, I don't think the cult will be stopped. I'm imagining the "Yellow King" is a title handed down (like an evil Dread Pirate Roberts). Even if they find the person (or persons) responsible for the murders, someone else will step up from the ranks and keep the cult active.

That makes sense that the title would be handed down, thus the flat circle, always repeating cycle of cult abuse and murder. :stunned:

The Dread Pirate Yellow King, made me chuckle though.

"All my life I wanted to be nearer to god, but the only nearness...silence" <3 Shea Whigham

The writing on this show is so brilliant. This is definitely in the top ten quotes for the season. When the season concludes, we should have an EG on top True Detective quotes. :-)

[Baitac]

One other thing: don't teachers usually pose with the class in class photos? I wonder who it is and whether he/she was part of this factory of abuse. :(

[dooog]

One other thing: don't teachers usually pose with the class in class photos? I wonder who it is and whether he/she was part of this factory of abuse. :(

The sign in that photo says Ms Dupre, which doesn't ring any bells for me.

I have a question... not sure what Grade 10 is in the USA, i'm guessing around 15 years old? How is it that half those "kids" look closer to 30 :|

[Jaxom 1974]

There's a lot on the threads, so sorry for asking, but I am trying to work a theory in my head regarding the King in Yellow. Can someone suggest where done of the better discussion on it might be? If they even remember which thread...I'm willing to give up my theory if it's been discussed in detail...

[Mexal]

There's a lot on the threads, so sorry for asking, but I am trying to work a theory in my head regarding the King in Yellow. Can someone suggest where done of the better discussion on it might be? If they even remember which thread...I'm willing to give up my theory if it's been discussed in detail...

Better off just posting the theory and we'll tell you if it's been discussed or not. Lots of theories in each thread, hard to pinpoint one specifically.

[Tobin]

The sign in that photo says Ms Dupre, which doesn't ring any bells for me.

I have a question... not sure what Grade 10 is in the USA, i'm guessing around 15 years old? How is it that half those "kids" look closer to 30 :|

Life be hard in the Bayou, :pirate:

More likely they had trouble finding principal actor photos during that age period that would fit seamlessly into the picture, so they placed the real people there with retro styles to make it look close.

[Baitac]

The sign in that photo says Ms Dupre, which doesn't ring any bells for me.

I have a question... not sure what Grade 10 is in the USA, i'm guessing around 15 years old? How is it that half those "kids" look closer to 30 :|

Thank you. I missed that.

Tobin answered the second question. :D

[Jaxom 1974]

Better off just posting the theory and we'll tell you if it's been discussed or not. Lots of theories in each thread, hard to pinpoint one specifically.

Fair enough. Some of you have better memories than I though. :)

My theory/thought: Can we possibly infer anything from the first four short stories from the original King In Yellow collection? By that I mean, do the descriptions of those stories correlate to the characters? "The Repairer of Reputations" could be Rust, for example.

Do these for tales have anything to do with the position at the interrogation table? A long shoot to be certain, but in this show where anything and everything is a potential clue/red herring, I was struck by the positioning of the interviews.

Eh. Probably over thinking things... :p

GINGER!!!!

[Lyanna Stark]

Am I the only one who get the feeling that drink driving is not really a punishable offence in Louisiana? Everyone seems to be doing it, all the time!

EDIT: Also Hi Tobin! Long time no see. :grouphug:

[Tobin]

EDIT: Also Hi Tobin! Long time no see. :grouphug:

Heya Lyanna! :grouphug:

I'm popping in and out of the board a little more lately, but I've been off the grid a while - I missed you guys! (are you getting amp'd up for DA3? :D )

[Castel]

Am I the only one who get the feeling that drink driving is not really a punishable offence in Louisiana? Everyone seems to be doing it, all the time!

EDIT: Also Hi Tobin! Long time no see. :grouphug:

It's mostly the police. And they can do horrible things...with impunity.

[Mexal]

Fair enough. Some of you have better memories than I though. :)

My theory/thought: Can we possibly infer anything from the first four short stories from the original King In Yellow collection? By that I mean, do the descriptions of those stories correlate to the characters? "The Repairer of Reputations" could be Rust, for example.

Do these for tales have anything to do with the position at the interrogation table? A long shoot to be certain, but in this show where anything and everything is a potential clue/red herring, I was struck by the positioning of the interviews.

Eh. Probably over thinking things... :P

GINGER!!!!

Not sure if that's been discussed. I don't know much about the short stories so I definitely can't contribute there.

I do think there is something specific about the positioning of the interrogation table but I don't think it has anything to do with who the killer is, but more to contrast the different people they're interviewing and make that position specific to them. I would guess they want to make sure the interviews don't bleed into each other, which I guess could happen if they're all set in the same way (not that I think it would but I think it's a stylistic choice more than anything).

[Jabronius Maximus]

Well with two episodes left, I'm not expecting some harrowing reveal and introduction of the killers. This story is about Marty and Rust, and just like every other character, the killer(s) will probably be tangential and 'underdeveloped'.

Also I read that synopsis, and

as I thought so, this plot is much simpler than what people are making it out to be. NP said as much, so I'll believe him. Still it's interesting how all these little details are thrown in, just waiting to be discovered by quick thinkers like you guys. Makes for some interesting discussion :)